Queer and boning in Las Vegas - Page 3

San Francisco adult stars storm the red carpet at the AVN Awards, a.k.a. the 'Oscars of porn'

Vegas, baby: QueerPorn.TV actors puppy-piled in their AVN Awards weekend suite.

Through means that are not quite explained during my interviews with Lumpkin and Girlfriend Films' founder Dan O'Connell, the blog led to O'Connell granting Lumpkin directorial control over a subdivision of his company [CORRECTION: O'CONNELL AGREED TO DISTRIBUTE JUICY PINK BOX THROUGH GIRLFRIENDS]. "I like that she's a lesbian," O'Connol told me. "You can't say it's not lesbian porn." Still, he says straight men like himself account for 40 percent of the films' audience. He guesstimates single women make up 30 percent, and couples the remainder.

Is Lumpkin's porn alternative? It's up for debate. She tries to "break away from the traditional script" of girl-on-girl porn, a style that has long been a part of the traditional porn canon. Lumpkin dismisses this kind of "fake" lesbian scene as "let's flutter our tongues together"-style porn.

She says her vignettes exclusively feature actual lesbian or bisexual women. Lumpkin won't work with women with obvious plastic surgery or fake nails. But when I asked her to compare her work to that of the queer genre associated with San Francisco companies like QueerPorn.TV and Crash Pad Series she says "my work has more of an emphasis on aesthetics. I'm sure they hate it when I say that."

Her scenes' artful lighting might only account for part of this statement. "I would imagine if you asked someone in the Valley what San Francisco makes they'd say they make really nasty queer shit and really nasty kinky shit," comments Horn on the perception of the Bay Area in other realms of the porn world. Still, the boundaries between the Valley and the Bay aren't so defined — many actors like Arabelle Raphael and Ryan work in both places.

Everyone, it would appear, has a different notion of what makes queer and lesbian porn authentic. The Juicy Pink Box series, for example, does feature scenes with women scissoring. Lily Cade, a butch actor who is called "Porn Valley's gold star lesbian porn star" because she's never shot a scene with a man, eschews scissoring scenes on her own label Filly Films. "That's stupid," she told me at the AVN expo, clad in a suit ("I'm a professional, so I'm going to dress like one," she said of her outfit choice). "I'm not aroused by that, so I'm not going to ask my actresses to do it."

You'd be hard pressed, by way of another example, to find fisting scenes in a Filly or Girlfriends movie [UPDATE: Lumpkin writes to say that she is in full support of, and has shot fisting scenes, but that Girlfriends Films will not accept them on their label due to obscenity laws. More on that distinction here]. But Trouble's scenes have them — in fact, on October 21 the SF auteur inaugurated an international day of celebration for that particular rough sex act. Filly and Girlfriends stick to cis-gendered actors [ANOTHER UPDATE: That should read "tend to stick to cis-gendered actors." Drew Deveaux was the first transgendered actor for Girlfriends Films, in the Juicy Pink Box feature Boutique], and rarely use body types besides the taut standard of the porn industry. Trouble, a woman of size herself, is committed to portraying sexy fat people.

Perhaps another difference lies in the intended audience of each scene. Cade allowed that much of porn's audience — even the "lesbian" films of Filly and Girlfriends — is men. "Wet dreams!" wishes a note inside Girlfriends Films' Poor Little Shyla, whose plot line centers around Catholic school girls given hands-on lessons in lesbian sex by their wiser, big-boobed mothers. Though the blessing could hypothetically be geared towards women watching the flick, one suspects it's not.


Thank you for interviewing me for this. You did a GREAT job...but I'm sure you know this ;).

Posted by Sophia St. James on Feb. 07, 2012 @ 8:14 pm

Caitlin got a lot of things wrong in my portion of the interview, and I would like to set the record straight.

1. Juicy Pink Box is not a division of Girlfriends Films. We have a strategic partnership, and they are our distributor. Juicy Pink Box was founded in 2008, and we did not begin our relationship with Girlfriends until 2010. I love those guys, and our relationship has been great, but I control all of the business of Juicy Pink Box, including the content of what we shoot.

2. The article says "Lumpkin falls into that middle part Thorne was talking about. Queer she is not — she shies from the term and is also uncomfortable with "dyke," attributing her preference to her religious upbringing in Carrollton, Georgia (she says her move to New York five years ago the first time she was exposed to any kind of lesbian community.) "

No, I do not consider myself to be queer. I identify as a femme lesbian. I have tremendous respect for however anyone chooses to identify in the LGBTQ community. I would also like the same respect in choosing to identify myself. This doesn't mean I don't feel like a part of the community, because I most certainly do. In fact, I devote many tireless hours to helping out LGBTQ causes. While I don't see myself as an activist in the traditional sense, I do think we are all striving for the same goals- acceptance, love, and equality.

I had lesbian friends when I lived in Florida. What I said to Caitlin is that I had never been exposed to a "queer community" before moving to New York. When I grew up there were not even any out lesbians, let alone people who identified as queer.

I think that my background shaped who I am. When I grew up "dyke" and "queer" were bad words. They had a negative connotation for gay people, so I have a hard time "reclaiming" those words. I do not, in any way, identify as a religious person, nor do I attribute my views to my upbringing in a religious household. That is just completely incorrect.

3. The following statement was taken out of context:

"But when I asked her to compare her work to that of the queer genre associated with San Francisco companies like QueerPorn.TV and Crash Pad Series she says "my work has more of an emphasis on aesthetics. I'm sure they hate it when I say that."

Throughout our interview what I discussed was my point of view in making porn. That I wanted to create something that was in the middle ground. Real lesbian porn, but created with an emphasis on glamour and aesthetics. Since the quote is taken out of context, it appears as though I am dismissive of the work of my peers, which I am not. I admire my queer porn peers, and I could not be where I am today without the trail-blazing efforts of Shine and Crash Pad Series. I have worked with a lot of the same stars, and have taken influence from their work. However, I don't see anything wrong with creating work that comes from a different point of view.

When I say that I emphasize aesthetics, what I mean is that we spend a tremendous amount of time researching the look and feel of each series, and we collaborate with people in the fashion industry to achieve a certain look. I'm certainly not saying that the work of my peers is inferior or has no aesthetic appeal. In fact, I find Courtney's work quite inspiring, even though we have a different point of view in the way we create things.

4. I have never shot a scene in which my stars are scissoring. I have shot plenty of tribbing, because that is a way that many of us lesbians enjoy having sex. The closest thing to scissoring that I ever shot was in TAXI with Madison Young and Justine Joli, and that's simply because of the fact that Justine is tall, and the backseat of the taxi had limited space. I have never said, "OK girls, in this scene I want you to scissor". Never. If the stars wanted to do that because they genuinely enjoy it, that's a different story. I work with the stars to create the scene and let them define the boundaries.

5. I do have fisting scenes, which are available on the website. Syd Blakovich and Justine Joli fisted each other in TAXI's "Sweat", for instance. However, because Girlfriends is concerned about obscenity prosecution, my contract with them requires that I cut those portions out for DVD release. I supported International Fisting Day, and even wrote a column in the Huffington Post to publicize the cause and express my views on why I love fisting.

6. Juicy Pink Box does not shoot exclusively "cisgendered bodies". For instance, in BOUTIQUE, we shot the amazing Drew Deveaux. That was the first time a trans body had been distributed by Girlfriends.

To be honest, I'm upset with the way that myself and my company have been portrayed in this piece, and I would like to extend a heartfelt apology to my peers, because this is not an accurate characterization of the way I feel about them or their work. I'm working to change the industry in my own way, just as Courtney and Tina are.

Posted by Jincey Lumpkin on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 11:52 am

Thanks for your response. Bummed that you thought I misquoted you, that's not how I see it. I made some factual corrections above, and wrote a more complete response to some of your points here: http://www.sfbg.com/sexsf/2012/02/08/upset-pornographers-and-definition-...

Posted by caitlin on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 4:56 pm

At least you got mentioned.

Apparently, Charlie Spats' half hour interview about Good Dyke Porn™, the website he helps me run, wasn't relevant this subject, even though half that hotel room is featured on our site and our site was also nominated for Best Alternative Website.

Don't take it personally, I think it's more of an "inner circle" issue than anything else. Although, I understand how you might be offended professionally.

But, like I said, at least you got mentioned. I don't think I'll add my own article here. If anyone likes good dyke/queer porn, feel free to check us out. You'll find myself, Charlie Spats, Courtney Trouble, James Darling, Dylan Ryan, Tina Horn, Sophia St. James and many other amazing queer porn stars (and other regular people).

Bren Ryder

Posted by Bren Ryder on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 11:12 pm

good lord, the article alone had the wife and me all reved up to check out some of the beautiful bods behinds the funky cool names, great inspiration to play and have some FUN. Then I made the mistake of scrolling down to the comments section. Buzz Kill. More grousing, moaning and entitlement issues that a Real Housewives reunion, LOADS less fun. Oh well, theres always a late night walk to window shop Good Vibrations to get the mood turned around again. Or.... maybe we'll just go to sleep. Bummer.....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 8:28 pm

hey Guest, sorry the comments killed your boners! killed mine, too. e-mail me at courtneytrouble@gmail and i will give you a complimentary free pass to queerporn.tv <3

Posted by courtney trouble on Feb. 11, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

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