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Relations between the cops and certain communities have been strained over the last year

Protestors blocked Muni on the anniversary of Kenneth Harding Jr.'s death.

On paper, San Francisco isn't having a particulary bad year. Manfredi said there have been "two officer-involved shootings and at least one was a fatality" so far in 2012. That's compared to eight officer-involved shootings with three fatalities in 2011 and 14 officer-involved shootings with three fatalities in 2010.

But community perceptions and unease can linger for a long time when incidents don't seem properly investigated or atoned for.

"It's very alarming. Especially the rate that it's happening at. And anybody is paying attention, they're starting use all the same stories for all these young black teenage males that they're murdering," Chatman said.

Alan Blueford, 18, was killed by Oakland Police on May 6. He was confronted by police on suspicion of hiding a gun and ran away. Police first said he had drawn a gun and shot an officer as he ran; an investigation later revealed that the officer who was injured shot himself in the foot. There has been no evidence uncovered that Blueford had a gun.

A month later, Derrick Gaines, 15, was confronted by South San Francisco police, again for looking suspicious. Police say he ran away and drew a gun, and that they needed to fire in self-defense. At a community speak-out July 13, Gaines' mother, Rachel Guido Red, said she had just received the coroner's report. It's conclusion? "Derrick was shot in the back."

She related what she believes happened: "He was running. He was scared. He was tripped by the officer, and he didn't have a chance to pick himself up because this man played judge, jury, and executioner."

Over and over, police investigations clear the cops of wrongdoing, as an investigation of Hill's shooting on a San Francisco BART platform recently did. Chatman said lawsuits like the one she filed are often the only way to seek justice.



Chatman wants to see shoot-to-kill policies changed. "I would like to see a bill passed making these people responsible for murder," she said. "And then maybe they'll start going back to original ways, of maybe wounding somebody, firing a warning shot, or doing something to injure the person, instead of shooting to kill. Because now they all come with their guns drawn. How come every police man there has to shoot? Why do they all have to shoot? Why can't one officer shoot, and just shoot to wound?"

Manfredi said the policy isn't shoot-to-kill, but it isn't shoot-to-wound either. Instead, it's to aim for "center mass" (the torso area) and shoot until there is no longer a threat. "We never, ever had a shoot to kill policy," he said. "We shoot to stop the threat. And once we assess the threat and realize there's no longer a threat, then we stop."

Sharen Hewitt, founder of the Community Leadership Academy and Emergency Response Project (CLAER) is also indignant about Harding's murder. "I don't think that I should pay for Kenneth Harding to be shot down in my streets because he didn't have two dollars," she said.

In her decade of work with CLAER, Hewitt has overseen many projects that improved conditions for families whose children were killed by police, from funding funerals for families who can't pay to bury their dead to counseling for family members other than biological parents of murdered kids. CLAER also sends emergency responders to sites of murders.

"We thought it was important to deal with the immediacy of the homicide and provide support so we could mitigate the possibility of retaliation," Hewitt said.


"Chatman and other family members and friends maintain that when Harding was stopped while off-boarding the T train by SFPD officers and asked for proof of paying the $2 fair, he was unarmed. Harding ran, and those officers drew guns and shot him."

According to data from ShotSpotter — which was deployed in the Bayview in 2008 — three separate firearms unloaded 10 shots over six seconds. The first shot was one of two fired from where Harding was located, police said. Two to six seconds later, eight more shots were fired from where the officers were located.

Read more at the San Francisco Examiner:

Today is the first day of progressive history.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 8:31 pm

I am sure this paragraph has touched all the internet users, its really nice.

Posted by Tampa child support lawyer on Jul. 25, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

-to-corporate-entity program, I take any "information" provided by them through the police with a half-pound of salt.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 9:34 pm

I've also come to realize that radiocarbon dating is a plot by a Jewish elite to subvert God's truth that the earth was created 5000 years. So I take all that dinosaur, caveman shit with a FULL-pound of salt.

Posted by Troll II on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 9:54 pm

ShitSpitter isn't propaganda. No sirree. It's hard science, exactly like radiocarbon dating. 'Coz the cops who put up the data on ShitSpitter would ALWAYS put up stuff that makes them look bad! If there's evidence that doesn't corroborate the official police line, you can trust the police who put up the data on ShitSpitter to put up the truth. Why? Because authorities never lie. Duh.

Posted by Greg on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

A cavalcade of evidence which requires dozens if not hundreds of people needing to remain silent or complicit is self evident.

Shot splitter shots are recorded digitally. Time is a construct made up by the establishment.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 11:20 pm

"Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."
Benjamin Franklin

The speed of light is just another way of knowing.

It is so amazing that the progressives who claim intellectual greatness are those who loath science when it doesn't work out for them.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 11:00 pm

Exactly, Lili. I didn't even bother click the link till you explained what ShitSpitter is. I didn't need to, because I figured it was something like that. Clicking to the Examiner confirms what I already knew.

Matlock's reasoning amounts to:

Matlock: I believe the police version of the story and refuse to consider anything else.


Matlock: Because I learn'd it on da ShitSpitter.

But Matlock, doesn't ShitSpitter just get their data from the cops? Isn't it actually run by the cops?

Matlock: Well I believe the cops.

But why?

Matlock: Because what the authorities say is corroborated by ShitSpitter.

It's always the first day of history for Matlock.

Posted by Greg on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 9:58 pm

"first day of history" -- elegant.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 10:41 pm

I'm Greg, "I think right wingers are dumb because they approach science the same way I do, they think the earth is 7000 years old because of the bible, while I think that the speed of sound is a construct."

Posted by matlock on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 11:24 pm

One problem is that this miracle technology doesn't work, or doesn't work correctly, a lot of the time:

In addition to making craploads of errors, there are always issues of data interpretation. When a corporation that wants to keep a lucrative city contract with the police (or the police themselves), are providing the interpretation, such interpretation is always suspect.

Lilli's right. It's a boondoggle, a taxpayer funded giveaway to a corporation with close ties to the cops. That was my instinct to begin with, and a quick google search confirms that my instincts were correct.

Posted by Greg on Jul. 18, 2012 @ 11:54 pm

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