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Local activists push for better recognition for caregiving professions

Lil Milagro Martinez (left) wants all domestic workers to be treated with the same respect she afford to the nanny of her son.

Erwin de Leon, a Washington DC policy researcher, opens "National Indicators and Social Wealth" with a quote from a speech that Robert F. Kennedy gave in 1968 criticizing GDP as a bad measure of progress: "It measures neither our wit nor our courage, neither our wisdom nor our learning, neither our compassion nor devotion to our country, it measures everything, in short, except that which makes life worthwhile."

De Leon then writes: "An urgent need met by measuring a nation's social wealth is identifying the attributes of a society that make it possible to create and support the development of the full capacities of every individual through the human life span. Social wealth indicators identify these drivers, with special focus on the economic value of caring for and educating children and the contributions of women and communities of color."

The carefully documented report makes an economic argument that investment in caregiving and early childhood development more than pays for itself over the long run in terms of increased productivity and decreased costs from crime and other social ills, creating a happier and more egalitarian society in the process.

"Nobody talks about the work that immigrant women do and how it contributes to productivity. They free us up to do other things, but we don't count it," De Leon told us in a phone interview. "We put lots of value on numbers and the views of economists. The problem with the numbers is it's an economic number that just values production."

Eisler's approach is neither liberal nor conservative, and she takes equal issue with capitalism and socialism as they've been practiced, labeling them both "domination-based" systems (as opposed to the "partnership-based" systems she advocates) that devalue caregiving and real human needs.

In fact, she seems to be even harder on progressives than those on the other end of the ideological spectrum, given the Left's stated concern for women and communities of color. It was a point that Ammiano echoed: "There's a lot of liberal guilt, but the follow-through has yet to happen."

"What this entails is re-examining everything," Eisler told us. "It starts with examining the underlying beliefs and values."



Even in supposedly enlightened San Francisco, things are getting worse. On March 26, following a battle with SEIU Local 1021 that began last fall, the city's Department of Human Resources submitted to a labor mediator its proposal to lower the salaries for new hires in 43 job categories, including vocational nurses, social workers, and secretaries.

The rationale: Those workers were paid more than market rates based on a survey of other counties. But it's also true that those positions are disproportionately held by women and minorities. In the 1980s, San Francisco made a policy decision to raise the pay of what were traditionally female-dominated professions, part of a nationwide campaign to erase decades of pay inequity.

"The city is rolling back decades of historic work on pay equity in this city," SEIU Political Director Chris Daly told us. "We were concerned about equal treatment of workers who were disproportionately women and people of color."

DHS spokesperson Susan Gard told us, "The city is committed to that principal, equal pay for equal work, and we don't think our proposal erodes that." But she couldn't explain why that was true. In reality, the move will lower the salaries for women that come to work for the city.

Those involved in the Domestic Workers Bill of Rights campaign mince no words when it comes to seeing the long history of sexism in political and economic institutions as one of the main obstacles they face.

"In so many ways, domestic work is women's work, and women's work has always been undervalued and underpaid," Milagro said.


(and there's some fairly stiff competition).

So the Lilli theory of economic development is that high taxes generates more prosperity because it accelerates the transfer of money from one hand to another?

Brilliant. So all we have to do to achieve unlimited wealth is tax each other ever higher amounts. The resultant velocity of money represents (in your twisted mind anyway) a triumph of econmic success.

Yes, we can quite simply tax ourselves into wealth. Why did nobody else think of that?

Oh wait, because it is evident nonsense.

"Possessions make the possessor poorer"? What kind of skewed, distorted, self-contradictory mind could come up with such total oxymoronic crap?

Posted by Guest on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 3:41 pm

Lilli is correct; taxing those that HAVE the money stimulates the economy if it is distributed to those who don't, because they will spend it, and the multiplier effect will grow the economy. When wealth is hoarded, the whole community is made poorer, and unless you live on the Moon, that includes you.

Posted by Troll Killer on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 3:59 pm

money in our society is somehow fixed, and therefore that taking it from one person and giving it to another person is "fairer" without having any downside.

That overlooks the fact that money can be generated and so the supply of it is not fixed. If I am generating wealth (say by building a business and hiring people) and then you come along and tell me that I have to pay 60% tax on it, then I will probably expand less. Or move my business somewhere else.

So your idea that we can all become rich by taxing ourselves more is predicated on a myth i.e. that the amount of wealth is society is a fixed quantity.

The vast majority of economist agree that hight axes kill enterprise and make society poorer and weaker.

Posted by Guest on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 4:15 pm

Generating wealth is not the same thing as generating new money, currency.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 5:52 pm

or hiring employees. Your employees generate wealth by their productivity as do you for whatever you put into your business. Most businessmen also try to profit off the productivity of their employees; they attempt to feed off them. This is viewed as perfectly normal -- above reproach.

No thought can even be given to any premise except "employers generate wealth"? Absurd.

Posted by lillipublicans on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 6:13 pm

Employers do the organizing which with the work of the employees generates wealth for them in the form of profits and wages, which is money shifted from the columns of others into theirs, subtracting from their wealth.

That is zero sum.

Posted by marcos on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 6:30 pm

It merely shuffles existing wealth about?

Do any of you guys actually have a real job in a real business?

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 6:32 am

Apple's pile of cash came from its customers.

Apple's production of appealing products shifted wealth from the pockets of their customers into the pockets of Apple with a tiny sliver going to the capitalists over at FoxConn and an even tinier sliver of that going to their workers who manage to not commit suicide.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:02 am

flow of wealth from overseas to the US, increasing our prosperity.

In particular, the Bay Area benefits from the many millionaires that have been created from their staff and shareholders.

Only a real hater of success would find fault there.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:26 am

The US current account grows by the amount that foreign dollar accounts shrink, however the amount of money in the system remains static unless banks create more credit.

It is not like any of us benefit whenever the US current account grows, especially when international firms like Apple maintain profits offshore to avoid domestic tax liability.

Note that the USG, alone with the government of Eritrea asserts the right to tax citizens working abroad, while the USG allows American companies to avoid tax on revenues by maintaining those funds abroad.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:35 am

having the best companies and brand names on the planet.

You won't be happy until America is a basketcase, and SF is like Detroit.

When did failure become a "San Francisco value".

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:20 am

It is a zero sum game, wealth is not created, it is shifted.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:51 am

create anything. It is much easier to find a minimum wage earner than it is to find someone with a great idea AND the capital to make it happen.

That is why our society rewards the guy with ideas and capital more than some shlub that does what he is told and never has a buck to his name.

Our system really isn't that hard to understand.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 6:46 am

Let's not be naive: the unprecedented wealth of this nation comes directly from stolen land and slave labor. Wealth is generated by labor, not "investment." Today, we can build the business ourselves, pay back the costs, and start sharing the profits. Who needs a "capitalist?"

Posted by TrollKiller on Mar. 31, 2013 @ 6:35 pm

enough back in time, any given parcel of land probably belonged to somebody else.

But since the advent of property law and titles, the ownership of land is recorded and transferred under the law.

At this point, the accrued wealth from slavery is trivial. Indeed, our economy is very comparable to similar countries that never had slavery, like Canada and Australia, indicating that the present day effect is minimal.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 6:34 am

Oh, but that were true, Guesty.
There would be no "America" without genocide and slavery,
so it is not possible to "go far enough back in time" to erase the effect
free land and free labor had in shaping our economy. Simply put, the "USA" would not even exist, or indeed it might be about the size of Canada or Australia's (both of which also practiced genocide and slavery, history buff). Euros don't like to work any more than any other ethnic group, otherwise they wouldn't have had to force other people to do it.
The only way to "render the present day effect minimal" would be
to make the robber barons and their running-dogs give back what was stolen. The advent of property titles should make the transfer backwards easier. Reparations for all people of Native American or African descent. Jubilee for all poor whites. We won't take the money and put it in a risky "financial instrument" or Swiss bank account. Rather, we will immediately spend it on food, shelter, clothing, drugs, hookers, and hopefully locally-made consumer goods, stimulating the economy, re-building America, and it should be all good from there.....

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:23 am

Even at the time, it was only a significant force in the agricultural south, and rarely represented more than 10% of the total economy.

Moreover, as noted, similar coutnries like Australia and Canada developed similar pro-capital economies without mass slavery, again indicating the effect is far less than often cited.

Anyone who feels they were disadvantaged can sue companies and people descened from those who practiced slavery, although it was elgal at the time and so such lawsuits are limited in their validity.

We should also note that those who descended from slavery are now far richer than those who did not relocate to the US.

Slavery is mainly thrown out there now by people using it as an excuse for special treatment. But the nation has moved on and has little patience for those who still try and play the race card for personal gain.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:32 am

The "race card" is played everyday in this country;
you are playing it now and accusing others of doing it.

So all the slaves did was to feed a growing nation with labor-subsidized food, which allowed the USA to fight off invasions by England, France, and Canada?

Revisionist history can be made up on the spot. I suggest reading a couple of history books not written by apologists for Empire.

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:09 am

Obviously it did, else your ancestors would not have engaged in it.

So yes, it's possible to ascribe some economic benefit to it. But, as noted, the net benefit to the US is far less than often claimed and, had we not done it, we'd be more like Canada or Australia that aren't that different from us anyway.

But hey, if you want a one-man self-pity party for the privileges you inherited from slavery, even if only maeginal, then knock yourself out. Some people feel guilt for stuff they've never done and maybe that's you.

Me? I have more important things to reflect upon. Non issue. Move on.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:24 am

The seed capital that fueled the US startup was provided by slave labor, the descendants of those slaves have been kept in a position of economic, social and economic inferiority for a century after slavery ended.

But in this libertarian world of no regulation but tort recovery to resolve all disputes, the law is trotted in to absolve perps and their descendents holding stolen, slave wealth, of any responsibility.

The truth is that the libertarian world view sees most all of us as as little more than slaves, perhaps serfs if we're lucky.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:56 am

"But, as noted, the net benefit to the US is far less than often claimed and, had we not done it, we'd be more like Canada or Australia that aren't that different from us anyway." So this is true because you say so? Not even a link to a nutzo website to back up your claims? And you are going to make 500 years of occupation, slavery, and genocide disappear by decree?
Your obvious guilt over the issue is a good sign;
maybe you'll come to your senses before the Revolution.

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 9:04 am

Running-dogs? Really?

Posted by marcos on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 7:49 am

Always fascinates me when white liberals pretend to care about blacks while making sure that they personally live west of 82nd Street in PDX.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 8:18 am

Actually, more like lapdogs.....

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 10:35 am

"Today, we can build the business ourselves, pay back the costs, and start sharing the profits. " That is freedom. That happens in America, and very few other places. Get started. No one is stopping you, and that is the greatness of America.

Posted by Richmondman on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 9:19 am

Have done.
Have you?

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 10:33 am

People in most other countries in the world are free to start businesses; indeed, most people in the world are independent contractors or otherwise self-employed. Meanwhile, the SBA or local chamber of commerce will tell you that MOST business start-ups fail, so I am not at all sure it is responsible to suggest a person should endeavor to become an "entrepreneur."

Posted by TrollKiller on Apr. 01, 2013 @ 10:43 am