City College's judges get judged - Page 2


The college's appeal ultimately is in the hands of the new Super Trustee of City College, Bob Agrella, who acts with all of the powers of the college's now defunct board. But Agrella has, in past interviews, agreed with the way the ACCJC is run.

"I think the way the commission operates is okay," he told City College's newspaper, The Guardsman. "I've dealt with their policies and operating procedures at other institutions where I worked that were dealing with addressing accreditation problems—not to the same degree as here at City College—and the process worked there."

But Karen Saginor, the ex-City College academic senate president, said the DOE criticism of the process should be taken into account in the appeal of the accreditation revocation decision.

"It's pretty exciting, that letter," Saginor told the Guardian. "It's recognition from an important authority that there are irregularities in the process that put us on show cause. We've been saying 'it wasn't fair.' And we've been told 'its a totally fair process, you're just not happy because you don't like the result.' Now we have an important authority verifying what we've been saying."


I'm glad CCSF has gotten some vindication. It is clear that while there might be problems at CCSF, the quality of education is stellar and the ACCJC clearly messed up. Unfortunately, the Special Trustee and the Interim Chancellor have no stake in CCSF's survival, they are not from San Francisco and in fact seem hostile to the values that we hold in our dear city, They'd like to see CCSF downsized and serve fewer, more elite students. We need to run the carpetbaggers out of town and get someone in charge who believes in CCSF's mission. Unfortunately, disaster capitalism is already at work, and no one, it seems, even the DOE can do anything to stop it. The people of SF need to rise up and say, "Keep your hands off of our school!"

Posted by Ricardo on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 9:52 am

applies in any way, shape or form to what is probably the lowest-grade college in the Bay Area.

And CCSF isn't "vindicated" by this at all. The fact that there might be some flaw with the panel doesn't mean that everything they judged is somehow magically 100% incorrect.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 10:12 am

Guest-- You are lying. CCSF rates in the top 10% of California community colleges, in every metric (transfer rates, completion rates, GPA, etc). CCSF equals or surpasses the other Bay Area community colleges in these metrics. CCSF education is indeed stellar.

The ACCJC report didn't attack the quality of education at CCSF. The report attacked its finances (too much money spent on classes, and not enough on painting buildings and buying the latest whizbang computer systems) and administration (as in, not enough administrators to get in the way of the teachers doing their jobs).

The ACCJC attacks CCSF's finances -- in a recession when millions of dollars in funding have been cut -- and wants CCSF to spend more on infrastructure, building maintenance, and computers.

The ACCJC is making contradictory demands that are impossible to meet. The only possible reason is that the ACCJC simply wants to close CCSF. Why else would all of the ACCJC's proceedings on this be secret, to the extent of shredding documents?!

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 1:48 pm

colleges overall. And that makes it good and worth keeping?

CCSF's finances are shot but that is mostly to do with the unionized workforce and the expense of employee public sector workers with unsustainable pay and benefits. A smaller, privatized college would be far more viable.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 2:16 pm

The LAST thing this planet needs is more private colleges to make worker slaves out of its young people.

City College is a treasure in this city and from what I see appears to need only some modest, achievable reform.

With the wealth gap growing at an astonishing rate in this country and in this city particularly, City College offers a much-needed and affordable place for people to start climbing the ladder and pursuing their dreams.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 6:22 pm

It needs to pay it's own way

Posted by anon on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 6:33 pm

NOT to have City College.

It is a boost to the local populace and city in so many ways, including economic stimulus, and offers the possibility of a prosperous future to those in the community that need it most.

It more than pays its own way in real value.

As long as corporate welfare queens like Exxon and the big banks ($83 billion/yr!) continue to create the great need for such colleges we can more than "afford" city college--it will in fact remain a dire necessity.

City College is needed to offset the economic horrors going on in this city and country.

It is this corrupt corporate culture that we can no longer afford.

San Francisco/CA gets little money from the federal government any more for things like education because of the behavior of these corrupt corporate entities and their anti-American behavior (like tax cheat Apple). We could pay for City College out of the dropped pocket change Apple alone steals from the American people each year ($9 billion)

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 7:43 pm

taxpayers have just ponied up even more taxes to throw at this black hole of uselessness.

But it sounds like you just want to rant, so carry on. But CCSF is still closing.

Posted by anon on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 8:14 pm

is the surest sign you have lost the argument.

My own successful company pays a large amount in local, state, and federal taxes--and I know that City College is a good deal for me and my community.

I hope this valuable asset can be saved. They have set up a site.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 21, 2013 @ 10:20 pm

This is the same shit and lies that Rodriguez Fitzgerald produced when he worked for the City College paper, The Guardsman to do fill in pieces. This man could not do a straight story if his name depended on it. One day his name is Joe Rodrigomez and the next day it is Joe Fitzgereald Rodriguez. When I ran for mayor of San Francisco, Rodrigroes Fitzgereald stonewalled two interviews that were supposed to be done on me, because he thought censorship and half truths was the road America was going down. And, since then his trash in the Guardian have been pure fill. Fitzgereald would not know a good story if one shot it to him with a cannon.

The story on City College is simply this: The institution had grown fat with over 1100 instructors, 50 committees and fat paychecks for all that were in the loop, with classes by dudes like Fred Glass who teaches unionism as a religion-I took his labor class and it only had three sign ups but still went forward-that it started to build more campuses while classrooms went empty. Remember Chancellor Phil Day, and the 30 felonies he was hit with for slush funds and contractor kickbacks. Well, he also censored fill story people like Rodriguez/Fitzgereald, who should actually work for a paper in Cuba or Russia, where this typle of journalism is normal. Day, after his good work here is now a director somewhere in Hawaii. Simply, City College was bankrupt, so they brought in a CEO that fired the board, the president and all the others with an "F" grade. And, It is too bad he did not fire Ridro/Fitzgeraldo, also. This is the real City College story.

Posted by Guest Emil lawrence on Aug. 22, 2013 @ 12:54 pm

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