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By definition, most people do read, follow and believe the main media, otherwise they would not be the main media. They'd be, I don't know, some obscure local rag instead?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 08, 2013 @ 3:14 pm

during soviet rule nobody believed the government controlled mass "media" - but they watched it anyway, and tried to read between the lines, because it was their only source of news

likewise in the U.S. most people know full well that the corporate controlled media is largely bullshit, but they watch it anyway because in most regions of the country it is the only news they get

thankfully this is beginning to change - i just spoke to family in the midwest who said they are watching RT ;)

Posted by racer x on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 9:25 am

People lay out real money for the WSJ, NYT or the Washington Post.

How many people would read the SFBG if it cost a dollar? Six? Seven?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:02 am

More than a half-million unique page views on our website per month, and 125,000 readers of the printed paper each week, both audited figures. People don't need to be pay for content to absorb, understand, and appreciate it. Also, with declining newspaper readership and the rise of the Internet, it's a demonstrably true statement that most people don't rely on the mainstream media for information on their communities, they use a variety of information sources, including the Guardian.

Posted by steven on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:21 am

size it was a decade ago. It's handy source for what is on at the movies but I'd be willing to bet that most people don't read the article but just get it for the free listings.

What matters far more, of course, is the revenues and presumably several staffers were fired earlier this year because those are way down.

I don't think I've ever seen a Congressman carrying the SFBG.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:55 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

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Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 3:12 pm

Whatever people may think of mainstream media sources, they KNOW that what they see in the SFBG is hopelessly slanted and biased towards one side. It's hard to fathom how anyone could turn to the SFBG to ground themselves in the facts surrounding an issue.

The political writing of the SFBG is an embarrassment; nothing but personal peeves being vetted.

And sophomoric. Like when they couldn't wait to gloat over Oracle losing the America's Cup.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 6:18 am

Avalos and Campos are excluded because they obviously are not senior. They're not even mature.

Anyone else?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 7:22 am
Yes

I hear from all of them after we mention them in stories, sometimes with appreciation and sometimes with aggravation, all of them except Ed Lee, who prefers to stay out of touch with the concerns of average San Franciscans.

Posted by Steven T. Jones on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 7:39 am

press looking for references to them, and then drawing their attention to those articles, good or bad. I used to do something like that for the CEO of a place I used to work at.

That's a far cry and from actually reading the SFBG themselves to learn what is going on. In fact, people do not read SFBG for news - they read it for the opinions, which are predictably biased and therefore comforting for some.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 7:49 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

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Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 9:26 am

This is the funniest and also saddest admission that I've read in this paper.
Yes, all of the most senior politicians in SF slavishly read the guardian.

I mean, the track record of the SFBG voters guide alone proves that this paper has its finger on the pulse of average San Francisco.

LOL

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 8:27 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

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Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 9:27 am

Actually, San Francisco voters have agreed with our endorsements more than the Chronicle's over my 11 years with the paper, even though the voters tend not to follow our advice on the mayor's races, to the unfortunate detriment of the city.

Posted by steven on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:24 am

>"Actually, San Francisco voters have agreed with our endorsements more than the Chronicle's over my 11 years with the paper"

Yes...as evidenced by the strong voter support of public power that exists in Steven's mind.

To say nothing of the strong influence that the SFBG had in getting London Breed elected to win the most Progressive district in the city. As well as their endorsement of Jane Kim that helped her to take over for Progressive hero Chris Daly.

All of that stuff that exists only in Steven's mind.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:49 am

and she got creamed. While SFBG's antics in the last D5 race rose to the level of a grand farce, switching back and forth but of course never getting it right.

But yes, SFBG invested the most political capital into trying to bring in public power - it was Brugmann's big mission in life - and it failed miserably every time.

Oh, and of course every mayoral race goes contrary to SFBG.

But yes, the proposition to rename a sewage processing plant after W went the SFBG, IIRC.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 11:06 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 11:29 am

In the time I've been here, you have always backed the losing mayoral candidates and have been 100% wrong on public power as well, as the voters have always rejected it.

You may get some of the obscure propositions correct, but you lose all the big fights.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:58 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 11:30 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 9:28 am

>"all of them except Ed Lee, who prefers to stay out of touch with the concerns of average San Franciscans."

That is exactly the type of idiotic statement that has turned the SFBG into a complete laughing stock.

I'm not surprised that Ed Lee doesn't want to communicate with the SFBG that constantly calls him a liar, publishes silly pictures of him and makes other unfounded accusations.

But to say that the popularly elected Chinese-American Mayor with the 60% approval rating 'prefers to stay out of touch with the concerns of San Franciscans'...give me a break.

Todd Voight obviously put Steven Jones in his role to embarrass the Progressive movement and wow, Steven is not letting him down!

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:21 am

While Jean Quan, who the SFBG think is great, now has an approval rating below 20% which is lower even than Dellums and he never showed up.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:56 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 11:33 am

this is simply a troll barrier

it is a signpost to indicate to the reader that other anonymous posters on this thread are beginning to purposely diminish the conversation into reactionary hyperbole and/or petty, mean spirited, personal attacks and irrelevant bickering

the barrier is put in place to signal that there is probably little point in reading more replies in the thread past this point

proceed at your own risk

Posted by troll barrier on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 11:32 am

You anonymous trolls sure spend a lot of time reading and commenting on what I write for someone who is supposedly so irrelevant. Curious.

Posted by steven on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 4:02 pm

That hardly counts as high interest here.

Some of the rest of us just come here for some mild amusement during the working day.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 4:23 pm

"a Phoenix-based chain driven by the kind of bottom-line Wall Street values that alt-weeklies were originally launched to oppose."

You'd never guess from this article that the SF Bay Guardian is owned by a larger corporation, which also publishes the SF Examiner and the SF Weekly.

Is the corporation planning on cutting the SFBG loose, or should we simply make out our donation checks to San Francisco Newspaper Company LLC?

Life's been financial hell for alt-weeklies since all the ads for whores migrated to backpage.com...

Posted by Reality barrier! on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 7:57 am

No, you can make your checks out to the Bay Guardian, which remains a distinct entity and independent voice despite our new ownership structure.

Posted by steven on Oct. 09, 2013 @ 10:27 am

Here's an easy way to prove SFBG's independence. Do an article roundly criticizing your owners. I challenge you.

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