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Douchebags in Fall Out Boy might get sued again for ripping off yet another band

By G.W. Schulz

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It's tough to come up with your own musical concepts and ideas when you're schedule is loaded with photo sessions and magazine interviews inquiring about your sex life on behalf of thousands of barely legal teenage girls.

How does Fall Out Boy have time to write music these days? They’re everywhere ‘cept behind their instruments. They're on the cover of Rolling Stone. They're on the cover of Spin. Shit, the New Yorker even ran a piece on them, dutifully highlighting in the photo that one guy who insists on liberally applying mascara and not wearing a shirt. You're no Iggy Pop, douchebag. Who is their publicist fellating to get all this good press, by the way? Do people still buy this trash? Most of all, why is Microsoft Word telling me not to use “fellatio” as a verb, or even “douchbag” as a noun? Perhaps the new Word version in Microsoft Vista will list “Fall Out Boy” among the alternatives for “douchebags.”

Anyway, it looks like Nicholas Hans of the now-defunct Knives Out is considering legal action against Fall Out Douche for ripping off the image that appeared on a shirt Knives Out was selling a few years ago in 2001 while on tour.

The shirt depicts a hand with a ribbon tied around the wrist and a caption reading "Don't open until after X-Mas." An almost identical phrase and overall concept appears in the lyrics of a Fall Out Boy song.

It's not the first time Fall Out Boy has been accused of ripping off someone else. The band settled with former American Nightmare vocalist (and revered lyricist/poet) Wesley Eisold after allegedly lifting some material from published poetry and American Nightmare lyrics belonging to Eisold.

American Nightmare played mostly straight-ahead East Coast hardcore and broke up a few years ago shortly after switching their name to Give up the Ghost. These days, Eisold is performing with Some Girls, featuring members of the Locust and Unbroken (even further back, some of you may remember the Swing Kids and Crimson Curse; this crew – stretching from SoCal to Massachusetts – has history all over the place). Apparently, Weisold even received published credit for three songs on Fall Out Boy's new record, "Infinity on High." These dudes can't even write their own lyrics, and we're still giving them loads of good press? Cruel world.

Fall Out Boy’s unfortunate connections to the more obscure elements of hardcore are well-documented. Decaydance, the label of Fall Out Douche bassist Pete Wentz, recently signed the reformed and hugely influential ‘90s New Jersey band Lifetime, a fact that’s apparently weirding out everyone.

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Comments (33)

Not my bag, but since when has Rolling Stone ever been accused of having taste? Oh, that's right 1969. I'd rather read pitchfork or friend's blogs than this piece of crap.

$hea:

I love Patrick, guys. He's my Fall Out Boyfriend.

Katie:

Who ever the hell wrote this is totally unprofessional. Do you not have any better words to call them then douchebags? I shouldn't have wasted my time reading this horrible article.

riley:

YOU SUCK.
they arent douches.
you are, you lame ass.
Ever heard of actual critique?
obviously not.
i'll be sure to have every fob fan send you hate mail.

Hayley:

You call them douchebags? So, if I were to believe what is written in this lame article, every single rumour ever spread about someone is correct? This is the worst written article I've ever seen. Here's hoping you grow up sometime soon.

Brianna:

biggest piece of shit this article was.
how unprofessional can you get.

jasonjasonson:

I hope the person that wrote this article knows that they are a few months late on his whole issue. I believe the charges were dropped also.

icedmaple:

If they're douches who get too much press, why are you adding to it?

xsherxbearx:

okay for one, your entire approach to a topic like this is very unprofessional and extremely childish.

second, why would Nicholas Hans want to take legal action now when the record for that particular song was in their last album? why take a cheap shot now? why attack them when they're famous? why now? why take legal action now? why not 2 years ago? if people going to say he 'just' found out about this, it'll be impossible, think about it, i don't need to spell it out for anyone...

by the way, no creative product or any product for that matter in this world are original anymore. have you been living under a rock to realize that?

likethewater:

Most of all, why is Microsoft Word telling me not to use “fellatio” as a verb, or even “douchbag” as a noun? Perhaps the new Word version in Microsoft Vista will list “Fall Out Boy” among the alternatives for “douchebags.”

Did you think about what you just wrote? At all?

Also, perhaps Word told you that douchebag is not a noun because you didn't spell it correctly.

Laura:

...You're a tool. Obviously not a real journalist huh?

teagan:

hahaha every fob fan is attacking you, G.W. Schulz...including me. Youre the douchebag and youre totally unprofessional..btw youre just adding to th press fob gets n stregthening their fan base when we all band together and tell off morons like you. get a life bastard

jessica:

lawlz. this made me laugh. you will get e-famous for writing this. good job, you will be getting a lot more hate mail. haha. dumbass!

Rational Discourse:

Why is everyone so upset that he used the word "douchebag"? The article rings true, they copied the lyrics from American Nightmare. You people are mindless fans of a mediocre band. You're all probably so obsessed with FOB that you were just google'ing "Fall Out Boy" and reading every article that appeared. This writer is making a fair point: that this band gets credit from morons like you, when they aren't even original. Deal with the facts, and forget about the word "douchebag", douchebags.

r:

yeah schultz, way to "strengthen" their fanbase. all these posters must feel really empowered!

Cate:

Asshole. You're the douchebag. I hope you regret every letter you typed about these awesome boys. They're better people than you'll ever be. I'm glad this "article" (learn to spell and stop writing like a 10 year old - bigger words don't compensate for bad writing) will give you a chance to see how many people LOVE them. AND how many people HATE you. Fuck you and don't EVER insult Fall Out Boy again.

G.W. Schulz:

Oh man, this is so awesome. I wrote this thing months ago for fun, and no one said a word about it. It's not actually an "article," and I'm not actually a "music critic." It's a blog post, and expressing my opinion about Rolling Stone's editorial (mis)direction is mostly a hobby.

This is like the good ol' days when we all had a robust debate about whether Chad Gilbert should have joined New Found Glory after leaving as frontman for the (then) remarkably powerful hardcore band Shai Hulud.

Now we're actually having to argue over whether a band like Fall Out Boy should appear on both covers of two of the nation's largest music publications at the same time. As soon as you think the national discourse on music can't sink any lower, boom, the ground falls right out from underneath us all.

We love and miss you Bill Hicks.

tina:

you sound like my 10-year-old cousin, except less witty and he doesn't actually know what a douche is.

halbie:

when has it been even proven that they didnt writ their own lyrics? this dude says it and all of a sudden its true? good job you piece of horeshit, its assholes like you who are jealous of FOB's success arent cant help but be an asshole. Heres a reality check, YOU are the douchebag

Fall Out Girl:

FUCK OFF!

ho:

just to let you know, EVERY band steals words from poetry, movies, literature, etc. EVERY band. FOB is just big enough to the point that people can get a lot of money out of them. Seriously, every band does it.

Hava:

Alright, blog post or not, seriously, I hope you don't ever write like this. And as for the whole ribbon, wrist, do not open before x-mas, talk about something random to complain about. It was not the "concept" of the song, and I know I get great ideas for stuff, think I'm all original, only to find out I read it somewhere in my hours of interweb time or heard a phrase like it on the radio or something and it's not mine. Seriously who's to say that Pete didn't see the shirt, think it was a good idea, forget about the shirt, needed something for the song, and boom! we have an unreleased but good album opener. And as for the poetry, well, same deal. Look, nothing is truely original anymore. There will come a point in time when every song has been sung. And I am very sorry that FOB is not your particular cup of tea, but I don't enjoy 99% of all Ozzy Osborn but you would never hear me calling him a douche because I didn't like his music/fanbase/lyrics, ect. Why can't people just accept that different people enjoy different music and we really don't need to bring them down just cause we all don't have the same taste. So sorry for jumping on my soapbox, I'm off it now.

STFU.

you need a life.
and a better vocabulary.


go skate into an AIDS tree.

Alex:

When you learn how to write a REAL article, then try again.
this was the most unprofessional, biased immature "article" i have ever read.

Britny:

OMFG ROFLLLL.

you're so ignorant it's completely insane.

i award you no points.
and may God have mercy on your soul.

Chelsea:

Wow...You used the word Douche/Douche bag 6 times...Don't you feel oh,so proud?
Lemme tell you somethin',kid.
Get.A.Fuckin'.Life.
This was so unprofessional that I was expecting noob speak about a quarter of the way in.

And by the way,"Douche" can only be used so many times before it becomes kinda useless.May I suggest,perhaps a God fuckin' dictionary you pathetic manna be of a journalist.

Amber:

HAHAHA. that was absolutely hilarious. if you actually wanted some respect and recognition at all for this poor excuse for an article you shouldn't have used such lame words. i am sure you could have come up with something better, hm?

it appears to be like something a fifteen year old with a vendetta against fall out boy wrote. the overuse of the word "douche" was unnecessary. you also didn't need to attack their publicist either.

if you were a real journalist you wouldn't have made such a biased, opinionated post. you should have been more neutral.

"...musical concepts and ideas when you're schedule is loaded with..."
also, you need to learn to use the correct form of "you're" and "your." you used it wrong. it should have been YOUR. dummie.

Ashley:

LOL FAIL.
FAIL FAIL FAIL.

and bwahahah Fall Out Boy are and will always be better musicians that you are a writer.

-sends you a thesaurus-
there's more than one insult in the english language than "DOUCHE DOUCHE DOUCHEBAG DOUCHE"
:p

FAIL.

RYAN O'HARA MILLER:

Alright.... i Don't even know where to start. theres so many of you brainless VH1 thumping tools commenting this honest article that i want to point out. And im going to start with this first one above the comment box. Ashely... Fall Out Boy being better musicians than his author? HA! thats a joke i would even call those pretty boys musicians, plus even if this writer was awful i wont take much to be better than fall out boy. the band who has the bassist who is the front band because all the 13-year old trash wanna get screwed by him. they dont even right there own music. the only reason is catchy to those who like there gene of music is cause OTHER people write it. and retard with fob's gear could play the shit they do. but Ashley i do agree with you on one thing. "douchebag". there are PLENTY more insults than that. ALL of those insults indeed fit FOB. but this poor writer has not near enough time to type all of them. Wesley Eisold mite be no of the best writes iv ever seen and the fact that a joke like FOB is STEALING his words, is down right outrageous. And all you die hard fan for FOB out who think this article is "bullshit" a "rumor" or a "joke". then way did FOB admit it and give Wes credit of "helping"(STEALING!) them write three songs. The only negative thing I have to say about this post is that Schulz didn't rag on FOB enough. I hope that whole band burns in hell.


THREE CHEERS TO YOU G.W. Schulz, AS WELL AS W.EISOLD

and

REAL BOSTON HARDCORE

dont talk to me:

Thank you for writing this. Really, every single person bashing you is an idiot. I'm sorry you have to take their internet abuse. Fall Out Boy are theives for stealing Wes Eisold's lyrics and writings. Wes is a genius. Every band he has ever been in has left it's mark in music. American Nightmare, Give Up the Ghost, Some Girls, XO Skeletons, all of them. This just proves that Fall Out Boy is not a honest band and that aside from musical instrument talent, they are far from being anything else.

Treyman:

Fall out who? Remember when bands weren't made up of a bunch of posers. But by the posts I've read they appear to have the 12 and 13 year old girl demo sewn up

Tiffany:

If you're going to write an article highlighting the negative points of a band, at least do it with enough class that would suggest you're a writer and not a pissy kid who's crying 'sell out'.

Ryann Rowland:

What I like best about this article is you seeminly came from a viewpoint of having absolutely no idea who Fall Out Boy is and probably have heard one or two of their songs, tops.

I hate 99% of mainstream music. It's lifeless, it's soulless, it's shit.

But the whole "pretty boy" hype surrounding the band is 100% the media's fault. They are the band that they are, they are the people that they are. Ignore the 13 year old girls screaming "OMG PETE WENTZ UR HAWT", ignore the "fashion" or "emo" labels that the media throws around while discussing FOB, and mainly ignore the hype in general and you might be surprised how good some of their stuff was. A couple years ago I couldn't hate the band more, but after hearing their new record I realized I just hated them because of the hype and I'd only heard ONE fucking song from them. They're not a fashion band, they're not "posers", they're not aiming their music towards pre-teens, they're just some kids who are in their early 20's and are musicians.

And at the very least they fucking GAVE THE GUY CREDIT for the lyrics. Sorry, but words are words and they gave credit where credit is due. Real musical ideas are on a totally different plane. And as for the T-shirt thing, for Christ's sake, you people are seriously whining because the lyric "Do not open before Christmas" was supposedly "stolen"? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

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