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Douchebags in Fall Out Boy might get sued again for ripping off yet another band

By G.W. Schulz

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It's tough to come up with your own musical concepts and ideas when your schedule is loaded with photo sessions and magazine interviews inquiring about your sex life on behalf of thousands of barely legal teenage girls.

How does Fall Out Boy have time to write music these days? They’re everywhere ‘cept behind their instruments. They're on the cover of Rolling Stone. They're on the cover of Spin. Shit, the New Yorker even ran a piece on them, dutifully highlighting in the photo that one guy who insists on liberally applying mascara and not wearing a shirt. You're no Iggy Pop, douchebag. Who is their publicist fellating to get all this good press, by the way? Do people still buy this trash? Most of all, why is Microsoft Word telling me not to use “fellatio” as a verb, or even “douchbag” as a noun? Perhaps the new Word version in Microsoft Vista will list “Fall Out Boy” among the alternatives for “douchebags.”

Anyway, it looks like Nicholas Hans of the now-defunct Knives Out is considering legal action against Fall Out Douche for ripping off the image that appeared on a shirt Knives Out was selling a few years ago in 2001 while on tour.

The shirt depicts a hand with a ribbon tied around the wrist and a caption reading "Don't open until after X-Mas." An almost identical phrase and overall concept appears in the lyrics of a Fall Out Boy song.

It's not the first time Fall Out Boy has been accused of ripping off someone else. The band settled with former American Nightmare vocalist (and revered lyricist/poet) Wesley Eisold after allegedly lifting some material from published poetry and American Nightmare lyrics belonging to Eisold.

American Nightmare played mostly straight-ahead East Coast hardcore and broke up a few years ago shortly after switching their name to Give up the Ghost. These days, Eisold is performing with Some Girls, featuring members of the Locust and Unbroken (even further back, some of you may remember the Swing Kids and Crimson Curse; this crew – stretching from SoCal to Massachusetts – has history all over the place). Apparently, Weisold even received published credit for three songs on Fall Out Boy's new record, "Infinity on High." These dudes can't even write their own lyrics, and we're still giving them loads of good press? Cruel world.

Fall Out Boy’s unfortunate connections to the more obscure elements of hardcore are well-documented. Decaydance, the label of Fall Out Douche bassist Pete Wentz, recently signed the reformed and hugely influential ‘90s New Jersey band Lifetime, a fact that’s apparently weirding out everyone.

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Comments (52)

Not my bag, but since when has Rolling Stone ever been accused of having taste? Oh, that's right 1969. I'd rather read pitchfork or friend's blogs than this piece of crap.

$hea:

I love Patrick, guys. He's my Fall Out Boyfriend.

Katie:

Who ever the hell wrote this is totally unprofessional. Do you not have any better words to call them then douchebags? I shouldn't have wasted my time reading this horrible article.

riley:

YOU SUCK.
they arent douches.
you are, you lame ass.
Ever heard of actual critique?
obviously not.
i'll be sure to have every fob fan send you hate mail.

Hayley:

You call them douchebags? So, if I were to believe what is written in this lame article, every single rumour ever spread about someone is correct? This is the worst written article I've ever seen. Here's hoping you grow up sometime soon.

Brianna:

biggest piece of shit this article was.
how unprofessional can you get.

jasonjasonson:

I hope the person that wrote this article knows that they are a few months late on his whole issue. I believe the charges were dropped also.

icedmaple:

If they're douches who get too much press, why are you adding to it?

xsherxbearx:

okay for one, your entire approach to a topic like this is very unprofessional and extremely childish.

second, why would Nicholas Hans want to take legal action now when the record for that particular song was in their last album? why take a cheap shot now? why attack them when they're famous? why now? why take legal action now? why not 2 years ago? if people going to say he 'just' found out about this, it'll be impossible, think about it, i don't need to spell it out for anyone...

by the way, no creative product or any product for that matter in this world are original anymore. have you been living under a rock to realize that?

likethewater:

Most of all, why is Microsoft Word telling me not to use “fellatio” as a verb, or even “douchbag” as a noun? Perhaps the new Word version in Microsoft Vista will list “Fall Out Boy” among the alternatives for “douchebags.”

Did you think about what you just wrote? At all?

Also, perhaps Word told you that douchebag is not a noun because you didn't spell it correctly.

Laura:

...You're a tool. Obviously not a real journalist huh?

teagan:

hahaha every fob fan is attacking you, G.W. Schulz...including me. Youre the douchebag and youre totally unprofessional..btw youre just adding to th press fob gets n stregthening their fan base when we all band together and tell off morons like you. get a life bastard

jessica:

lawlz. this made me laugh. you will get e-famous for writing this. good job, you will be getting a lot more hate mail. haha. dumbass!

Rational Discourse:

Why is everyone so upset that he used the word "douchebag"? The article rings true, they copied the lyrics from American Nightmare. You people are mindless fans of a mediocre band. You're all probably so obsessed with FOB that you were just google'ing "Fall Out Boy" and reading every article that appeared. This writer is making a fair point: that this band gets credit from morons like you, when they aren't even original. Deal with the facts, and forget about the word "douchebag", douchebags.

r:

yeah schultz, way to "strengthen" their fanbase. all these posters must feel really empowered!

Cate:

Asshole. You're the douchebag. I hope you regret every letter you typed about these awesome boys. They're better people than you'll ever be. I'm glad this "article" (learn to spell and stop writing like a 10 year old - bigger words don't compensate for bad writing) will give you a chance to see how many people LOVE them. AND how many people HATE you. Fuck you and don't EVER insult Fall Out Boy again.

G.W. Schulz:

Oh man, this is so awesome. I wrote this thing months ago for fun, and no one said a word about it. It's not actually an "article," and I'm not actually a "music critic." It's a blog post, and expressing my opinion about Rolling Stone's editorial (mis)direction is mostly a hobby.

This is like the good ol' days when we all had a robust debate about whether Chad Gilbert should have joined New Found Glory after leaving as frontman for the (then) remarkably powerful hardcore band Shai Hulud.

Now we're actually having to argue over whether a band like Fall Out Boy should appear on both covers of two of the nation's largest music publications at the same time. As soon as you think the national discourse on music can't sink any lower, boom, the ground falls right out from underneath us all.

We love and miss you Bill Hicks.

tina:

you sound like my 10-year-old cousin, except less witty and he doesn't actually know what a douche is.

halbie:

when has it been even proven that they didnt writ their own lyrics? this dude says it and all of a sudden its true? good job you piece of horeshit, its assholes like you who are jealous of FOB's success arent cant help but be an asshole. Heres a reality check, YOU are the douchebag

Fall Out Girl:

FUCK OFF!

ho:

just to let you know, EVERY band steals words from poetry, movies, literature, etc. EVERY band. FOB is just big enough to the point that people can get a lot of money out of them. Seriously, every band does it.

Hava:

Alright, blog post or not, seriously, I hope you don't ever write like this. And as for the whole ribbon, wrist, do not open before x-mas, talk about something random to complain about. It was not the "concept" of the song, and I know I get great ideas for stuff, think I'm all original, only to find out I read it somewhere in my hours of interweb time or heard a phrase like it on the radio or something and it's not mine. Seriously who's to say that Pete didn't see the shirt, think it was a good idea, forget about the shirt, needed something for the song, and boom! we have an unreleased but good album opener. And as for the poetry, well, same deal. Look, nothing is truely original anymore. There will come a point in time when every song has been sung. And I am very sorry that FOB is not your particular cup of tea, but I don't enjoy 99% of all Ozzy Osborn but you would never hear me calling him a douche because I didn't like his music/fanbase/lyrics, ect. Why can't people just accept that different people enjoy different music and we really don't need to bring them down just cause we all don't have the same taste. So sorry for jumping on my soapbox, I'm off it now.

STFU.

you need a life.
and a better vocabulary.


go skate into an AIDS tree.

Alex:

When you learn how to write a REAL article, then try again.
this was the most unprofessional, biased immature "article" i have ever read.

Britny:

OMFG ROFLLLL.

you're so ignorant it's completely insane.

i award you no points.
and may God have mercy on your soul.

Chelsea:

Wow...You used the word Douche/Douche bag 6 times...Don't you feel oh,so proud?
Lemme tell you somethin',kid.
Get.A.Fuckin'.Life.
This was so unprofessional that I was expecting noob speak about a quarter of the way in.

And by the way,"Douche" can only be used so many times before it becomes kinda useless.May I suggest,perhaps a God fuckin' dictionary you pathetic manna be of a journalist.

Amber:

HAHAHA. that was absolutely hilarious. if you actually wanted some respect and recognition at all for this poor excuse for an article you shouldn't have used such lame words. i am sure you could have come up with something better, hm?

it appears to be like something a fifteen year old with a vendetta against fall out boy wrote. the overuse of the word "douche" was unnecessary. you also didn't need to attack their publicist either.

if you were a real journalist you wouldn't have made such a biased, opinionated post. you should have been more neutral.

"...musical concepts and ideas when you're schedule is loaded with..."
also, you need to learn to use the correct form of "you're" and "your." you used it wrong. it should have been YOUR. dummie.

Ashley:

LOL FAIL.
FAIL FAIL FAIL.

and bwahahah Fall Out Boy are and will always be better musicians that you are a writer.

-sends you a thesaurus-
there's more than one insult in the english language than "DOUCHE DOUCHE DOUCHEBAG DOUCHE"
:p

FAIL.

RYAN O'HARA MILLER:

Alright.... i Don't even know where to start. theres so many of you brainless VH1 thumping tools commenting this honest article that i want to point out. And im going to start with this first one above the comment box. Ashely... Fall Out Boy being better musicians than his author? HA! thats a joke i would even call those pretty boys musicians, plus even if this writer was awful i wont take much to be better than fall out boy. the band who has the bassist who is the front band because all the 13-year old trash wanna get screwed by him. they dont even right there own music. the only reason is catchy to those who like there gene of music is cause OTHER people write it. and retard with fob's gear could play the shit they do. but Ashley i do agree with you on one thing. "douchebag". there are PLENTY more insults than that. ALL of those insults indeed fit FOB. but this poor writer has not near enough time to type all of them. Wesley Eisold mite be no of the best writes iv ever seen and the fact that a joke like FOB is STEALING his words, is down right outrageous. And all you die hard fan for FOB out who think this article is "bullshit" a "rumor" or a "joke". then way did FOB admit it and give Wes credit of "helping"(STEALING!) them write three songs. The only negative thing I have to say about this post is that Schulz didn't rag on FOB enough. I hope that whole band burns in hell.


THREE CHEERS TO YOU G.W. Schulz, AS WELL AS W.EISOLD

and

REAL BOSTON HARDCORE

dont talk to me:

Thank you for writing this. Really, every single person bashing you is an idiot. I'm sorry you have to take their internet abuse. Fall Out Boy are theives for stealing Wes Eisold's lyrics and writings. Wes is a genius. Every band he has ever been in has left it's mark in music. American Nightmare, Give Up the Ghost, Some Girls, XO Skeletons, all of them. This just proves that Fall Out Boy is not a honest band and that aside from musical instrument talent, they are far from being anything else.

Treyman:

Fall out who? Remember when bands weren't made up of a bunch of posers. But by the posts I've read they appear to have the 12 and 13 year old girl demo sewn up

Tiffany:

If you're going to write an article highlighting the negative points of a band, at least do it with enough class that would suggest you're a writer and not a pissy kid who's crying 'sell out'.

Ryann Rowland:

What I like best about this article is you seeminly came from a viewpoint of having absolutely no idea who Fall Out Boy is and probably have heard one or two of their songs, tops.

I hate 99% of mainstream music. It's lifeless, it's soulless, it's shit.

But the whole "pretty boy" hype surrounding the band is 100% the media's fault. They are the band that they are, they are the people that they are. Ignore the 13 year old girls screaming "OMG PETE WENTZ UR HAWT", ignore the "fashion" or "emo" labels that the media throws around while discussing FOB, and mainly ignore the hype in general and you might be surprised how good some of their stuff was. A couple years ago I couldn't hate the band more, but after hearing their new record I realized I just hated them because of the hype and I'd only heard ONE fucking song from them. They're not a fashion band, they're not "posers", they're not aiming their music towards pre-teens, they're just some kids who are in their early 20's and are musicians.

And at the very least they fucking GAVE THE GUY CREDIT for the lyrics. Sorry, but words are words and they gave credit where credit is due. Real musical ideas are on a totally different plane. And as for the T-shirt thing, for Christ's sake, you people are seriously whining because the lyric "Do not open before Christmas" was supposedly "stolen"? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?

RYAN O'HARA MILLER:

Rowland, I dont care if they gave him credit. Wesley Esiolds name in the cd jacket of a fall out boy album is a insalt.

Name here.:

Does it really matter if he called them a name?
I mean they brought it onto themselves
Nearly every single person posting is a FOB fan and obviously, like the band, they've forgotten thievery in their moral code
Schulz, I commend you on your article :)

YES! This little piece is amazing. I want to take you out for an irish carbomb and give you a big high five.

You know what? I blame Weezer. I blame Weezer for Fall Out Boy, for Simple Plan and for all the terrible pop punk out there. It's seriously Weezers fault. Fall Out Boy and AFI fall into the same douche category for me.

The WORST though, My Chemicla Romance. ewwwww....

The Brotherhood of Steel:

Look out! it's the fallout boy mafia - Ashley, Amber, Cate, Tiffany, Chelsea, Brittany, Brianna, Hayley. Holy shit, pete wentz is a 13 year old girl.

Sane Alex:

wow....G.W. Shultz....I commend you sir for this article. I don't even want to write a comment on this blog because I though it would be degrading to even humour talking about how completly "fucking retarded" most of these chicks on here are. But ya to those who think FOB are "good people"...ya I live in LA and I was at a FOB promo party and I swear to god I saw them in the VIP doin lines....and as for the stealing of American Nightmares lyrics....do the fucking research and you'll be pretty suprised of how much they ripped off. Listen to a real band like Neurosis you little cunts

Kristy:

I like pete's mascara and no shirt! and he's not a douchebag just cause your jelous he's hot and your not. whoever wrote this needs to find somthing better to write about like a band thats less cool than them! YOU SUCK!!!

Kristy:

I like pete's mascara and no shirt! and he's not a douchebag you fagget. just cause your jelous he's hot and your not. whoever wrote this needs to find somthing better to write about like a band thats less cool than them! YOU SUCK!!!

Nice language Kristy -- do you kiss your dad with that mouth? Signed, a real "fagget"

derek:

kristy, of course you like it. why do you think he doesn't wear a shirt? to get fans with looks when they can't get them with talent.
it's ok, kids. we all get distracted by a good looking set of nipples and some well-placed eyeliner on a hot teenage boy every now and then. walk it off, honey.
signed, another real "fagget"

juliet:

Well this is a professional article now, isn't it? It makes me wonder if the guy who wrote this was sitting home on some idle Saturday night, when he should be out with friends, letting out all his frustration on what seems to be quite a successful and meaningful band to many many people around the world. Yes, I happen to be one of the many fans of FOB and yes, I am a teenage girl, but it seems to me that I have more class and intelligence than this guy. While there are many girls my age out there that probably only like Fall Out Boy for Pete Wentz,there are many people out there, including myself that like FOB for their music. Yeah, maybe they incorporated some other peoples writing into their music, but have you ever heard of inspiration? It's not stealling. What really gets me about this article is the use of the ever so classy word, "douchebag" practically every other word. If you would like to get your point across, try sounding intelligent....

Another FOB fan:

Why is everyone fighting. Yes, I find it rude to insult FOB (and their fans), but i also think that the fans and the people who don't like FOB are entitled to their opinions. Those of you who aren't fans however have it wrong when you say that we all want to do more than listen to their (amazing) music. However, writing an article this long, that uses the word "Douchebag." so many times gets to the point of which the article gets old.
Calling people "faggots" however, is not at all necessary. Although I'm straight, others are entitled to be homosexual.

This isn't an article, people -- it's a BLOG ENTRY. wow I really fear for the future if you tweens can't tell the difference between journalism and opinion.

Rudeboy:

Hey man, killer article, apparently some people don't understand the concept of creative writing but whatever. If they love Fall Out Boy that much they're obviously too ignorant and moronic to listen to you--or better yet to listen to good music. It was a great rant and I'd like to read more by you if you have anything negetive to say about other crappy bands like Panic At The Disco, or any band playing recent Warped Tours. Keep up the good work.

Jordan:

Guess what? No matter how unprofessional you think he is... Fall Out Boy still sucks more than a quality Swedish vacuum. They are actually really terrible. I enjoyed the article mostly because i don't enjoy fall out boy.

2 cents:

"Guess what? No matter how unprofessional you think he is... Fall Out Boy still sucks more than a quality Swedish vacuum." Hilarious because it's true.

Also, insulting the writer for using words like "douchebags" while swearing even more yourself, is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

Do you really believe that "EVERY band steals words from poetry, movies, literature, etc." and that makes such thievery acceptable? If so, that's so sad. Why even live at that point, when, in your world, there's no originality in music to be found?

FOB has done little to deserve the massive coverage they receive. These days the majors in the music industry and publication syndicates care more about marketing and money than talent and humanity.

sam:

fall out boy fukin rocks!!!!!!!
they r the best band around and deserve every bit of credit and publicity for their createtivity and showmanship when performing. they r very apreciative 2 there fans for their loyalty and know that they would not be were they are without them.
they do write most of there lyrics but may have taken a few line from other bands, but what other bands havent. take nirvana for instance, they totaly ripped of boston for the tune of smells like teen spirit.
who ever slags off fob are the real douches if u ask me cause they have nothing better 2 do than write shitty little articles. my advice is get a life u losers!!!!!

fuk u

p.s ma spellin is shitty cause im in the 8th grade and im a bit dislexik

Jarrett Sexton:

DUDE. FOB completely copied an actually good bands lyrics. I'm not quite sure what song they use it in but the line "Loose lips sink ships" is the EXACT PHRASE used in Ratt's classic(and actually good) song "Slip of the Lip". FOB sucks.

Seriously... First off, You know how many bands have used "Loose lips sink ships". Secondly, "Loose lips sink ships" means: Unguarded talk may give useful information to the enemy. It was used in WW2 as a slogan to prevent enemy spies from gathering useful inormation from people. Ever have a loved one in the army/iraq and they can't tell you what they're doing because its "classified" - Same Concept. Loose lips sink ships is classified as 'Careless Talk Costs Lives'. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/237250.html

povertyonwheels:

the ad in the SFBG promoting this blog was really effective - i HAD to find and read this article after seeing the comments you highlighted in the ad... GENIUS!

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