Steve Moss: The big duck goes on and on and on


And so you will remember, from my earlier blog (STEVE MOSS: THE BIG DUCK) that I asked Steve Moss some questions in the critical District 10 race. He answered but ducked the questions, so I put forth the relevant follow up questions. No answer at all. But the blog comments provide some interesting back and forth with Moss supporters and others in the district.  (Yes, I don't like anonymous comments and I always sign my comments as Bruce and B3.)

Moss told us in the Guardian endorsement interview that he fully supports more sunshine and accountability in non profits. So let's take him at his word on this one and raise again the questions he has been ducking. PG&E has invested millions of dollars over the past 10 years into Moss, his non profit (and by extension his for profit firm and the Potrero View, which he now owns and uses for his personal and political agenda.)

More, Moss's non profit collected $1,290,000 in the past three years from the California Public Utilities Commission for energy efficiency projects, according to SF Power's annual revenues in its 2008 to 20l0 report on its website. Loretta Lynch, former president of the CPUC, explained to us that this money for energy efficiency programs are funded by ratepayers, not utilities, and that PG&E decides each year whether Moss/SF Power gets any of this money and how much. Lynch lives on Potrero Hill.

The report also disclosed that SF Power got $150,000 from the San Francisco Public Utilities Commisson in 2008 and $125,000 in 2009.) Both the CPUC and SF PUC are widely recognized PG&E- friendly bastions. Moss got hundreds of thousands more in previous years since he incorporated his non profit in 2001.  And, according to a statement in the report, Moss is still hustling money from the big polluters in District 10 (from PG&E, Mirant and its power plant and the mayor's office et al).

This district has been brutalized for decades by PG&E, for starters with the belatedly shuttered Hunters Point power plant and with the still fuming Potrero Hill power plant, and with the concentration of gas pipelines under the district. If elected, Moss would be the first supervisor in memory who would be a direct financial captive of PG&E.

It is only fair to the residents and businesses in his district that Moss explain before election day some basic questions: how much money in total and by year has PG&E invested in him and his non profit and profit businesses? Why has he been secretive about it?
Will he keep hustling PG&E and Mirant for more money if elected? Will he cut his ties to PG&E and the non profit/profit firms and when? How can his constituents trust him considering PG&E's investments in him?

Other critical questions concern the $250,000 or so investment that the downtown/Chamber/PG&E/real estate/landlord/BOMA gang has made in Moss and his campaign with the full expectation of getting good returns with friendly votes that would most likely be inimical to the interests of his district. Given the huge, unprecedented money gushing into his campaign from commercial landlords, developers, PG&E, and the Chamber gang, how can district residents and businesses trust him on the critical issues of public power, closing down the Potrero power plant, tenant rights, land use, Lennar and other big developments, affordable housing, and protecting the neighborhoods and small businesses?

The critical pre-election question: If Moss can't answer these key questions fully and forthrightly, and he keeps the Big Duck going, how can he be trusted as a district supervisor?

Full disclosure: I look out from my office window at 135 Mississippi St. at the Potrero Hill power plant, pumping out poisons every minute of every day, courtesy of PG&E and Mirant, and the PUC/City Hall.


Sorry Guardian, just because people seem to defend Steve Moss in the comments doesn't make them 'his supporters.'

I can't even cast a vote in that election. But I can read. I read his answers to your questions and they seemed for the most part to be answered by him.

It seems as though his answers put to rest much of your criticisms, leading you to insist that he didn't actually answer. This has more to do with your apparent inability to recognize an answer as an answer when it's not the one you like.

And I am really appalled that you are now trying to directly link PG & E's goals with those of Mr. Moss. That's just sleazy, dishonest journalism.

He's the big money candidate? Really?? Isn't he the only D10 candidate that got the 1000 signatures required to qualify for public funding??? Sounds to me as if he's running a traditional grassroots campaign.

Somehow though, all that gets left out of your articles, making me now question the veracity and integrity with which you report on politics and causing me to take a second look at the candidates in my own district.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 4:49 pm

Thank you for the comments Steve, style, literate and attacks on SFBG again, you are getting really obvious.

You have answered nothing of the accusations against you, reason why, it is all true.

Here this clearly. If by some horror you get elected by trying to buy the district and perform the same scams that you have already performed nobody who knows what you truly have done will rest until the taxpayers get their hard earned money back.

You will be prosecuted at some point and that will be a great day.

We know you think you are smartest kid on the block and everyone else compared to you is just a dummy, but this will all catch up with you one day.

Posted by Here's Steve again on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:43 pm

He's involved in 4 disputes at three properties he either owns or rents.

The latest is today. His neighbor at 18th Street has lived a nightmare with Moss's dog, he actually posted a video, hearing is believing.

The neighbor, a very amicable fellow never in a dispute before apparently was told by Moss that his dog is just very protective and not really a barker, see for yourself.

The link and video is titled "Steve Moss, neighbor from hell".

It is getting a little hard to believe that Moss is a victim, involved in four unresolved disputes with multiple people related by one common part - STEVE MOSS.

Three of the four disputes are noise related, maybe he couldn't hear your questions Bruce!

If you can't trust a person with a dog do you trust them with your government?

All disputes at

Posted by Breaking News - Moss's dog also ducks. on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 4:53 pm

Mr. Moss seems to not have been the perfect neighbor. At his luxurious 18th Street rental Mr.Moss's dog has been in action of late.

Also stated is that the dog did not start driving everyone crazy till the beginning of May this year. Apparently the dog must have moved from Dolores at a different time.

Hearing is believing. When approached Mr. Moss defended his dog as protective, but not really a barker.

Posted today and titled "Steve Moss, neighbor from hell".

Mr. Moss's record to date:

1. Kansas Street Property - Lawsuit with co-owners. Mr. Moss apparently accused of failure to disclose property line dispute, noise issue, breach of CC & R rules, use of illegal, undocumented and uninsured workers.

2. Rhode Island Street neighbors. Mr. Moss and Ms. Findling accused of property line dispute and damage to rear neighbor property,

3. Dolores Property - Attempted eviction of two gay tenants. Tenants were apparently driven crazy by noise created by Mr. Moss and family.

4. 18th Street rental. Mr. Moss apparently drives neighbors crazy with barking dog left unattended.

Four disputes at three properties involving tenants and owners completely unrelated to each other.

Posted by Breaking News - Moss's dog also ducks. on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 6:17 pm

There are so many major issues in D10. Now we're talking about barking dogs?!? Come on San Francisco, let's get back to the real issues that affect the good people of San Francisco. We can disagree with candidates on issues, but this is beyond trivial.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 6:55 pm

Thanks Steve.

Conflict number four with Moss and neighbors. What we are talking about is the incredible arrogance, lack of responsibility and total disregard for anyone else, especially your neighbors.

Steve, if you had to listen to your damn dog barking for hours on end while trying to work (again alien word to you), you'd get to play your favorite role, victim.

Please don't vote for an arrogant prick who's gotten into a conflict with each and every neighbor in the last four years they've lived by.

Posted by Here's Steve again, again. on Oct. 29, 2010 @ 7:47 pm

He has multiple conflicts with FOUR DIFFERENT neighbors, just in the last few years. This is not trivial.

He refuses to answer questions specifically - ie, he refuses to answer questions - even when the questions are an opportunity for him to clear up contradictions between what he has stated publicly and what he - or his companies - have submitted publicly.
When given further opportunities, he claims he's already answered.

He's asking us to elect to him to a job where he will have to:
(a) play well with others - or will he send Zacks after other Supervisors who disagree with him?
(b) fill out forms without lying - or is it his public statements that were the lies?
or was it that he forgot how to spell the names of his companies?

I think not kicking sand in the eyes of the other kids in the sandbox, being able to fill in a form with a degree of accuracy, and knowing how to spell one's own name, ought to be the least we require of our Supervisors.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 12:48 am

I am extremely concerned that a Fulbright Scholar isn't capable of noticing:

1. Doesn't notice the misspelling of his own companies name on 8 years of 990 tax returns but doesn't forget to pay himself $1.5 m in salary and fees.
2. Can't remember to let a city department that gave him $1.5 know that he started a for profit and non profit with near identical names at the same time.
3. Can't remember how to spell his wife's last name and files three utilities bills all spelled differently in the same condo application but manages to remember to collect the $800K profit even though the city surveyor cannot answer how the application was approved.
4. Files in a district he doesn't presently live, and uses an address in the district that is an office with rent paid for by a non profit and the taxpayer.
5. Is in conflict with every neighbor that he has lived in proximity to in the last four years at three different addresses, none who knew each other, but all seems to accuse him of being a total liar, coincidental?

Folks, this is who you want as your supervisor?

Steve, what's the answer, please check one:

1. I am victim of envy and crushes by the SFBG and anyone that questions me.
2. I can't tell the truth under any circumstances.
3. I forgot the questions.
4. I am a duck.

Posted by Fulbright Scholar mental limitations. on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 9:45 am

Give it up. Now you're just churning the water with this pathetic crap about PGE. It's well known that the SFBG wants to be in the power business and wants PGE out. Good luck with that. We can't even keep the streets paved and the sidewalks clean. As for your psychotic attraction for Steve Moss, get off the grass. As was mentioned before, if you had a case you would have taken it downtown. Obviously you don't so STFU. Barking dogs? WTF? Where's your candidate Jelly Belly? I've never seen him in any of the "other" districts like Bayview or Viz Valley. He's a ghost and doesn't stand a ghost of a chance. What I see is your "campaign" for Belly has turned into a scorched earth campaign. Instead of promoting a candidate you've tried to make Belly look good by smearing his opponent. So, in effect, you're responsible for all the press about Moss. He can only thank you for keeping him in front of the camera, as it were. The BeyondChron story about the demise of the Progressive movement was spot on. The SFBG is completely responsible for shooting itself in the foot.

Do you hear that? That's the sound of one hand clapping.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 11:44 am

So the "I am extremely concerned" poster is sooooo concerned that s/he derides Moss for being a Fulbright Scholar but doesn't know the difference between "companies" and "company's." Hey, Extremely Concerned - the American education system ain't what it used to be. Now go away and practice your hand job.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 11:48 am

Comments about spelling and nothing about the facts, coupled with insults, must be Moss and company again.

Notice their name for Kelly, lovely.

Your lousy candidate is a thief, nothing more and nothing less.

Nothing worse than an arrogant, hot air filled thief who pulled a scam and won't answer a question or refute any of the filings.

Read the View and the obvious slant towards never saying anything against PG & E.

I am glad and thankful for the SFBG coverage. At the very least their work will hopefully stop Moss and crooks ever getting taxpayer dollars again.

One more question, how many jobs did you create Steve?

Posted by Guest on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 12:59 pm

Didn't your candidate Jelly Belly want to tear down the 280 extension and start a City Bank to purchase foreclosed properties? What a wanker! And you want to get into the power business, too. How about cell phones? How about mail delivery? Oh, better yet, let's manufacture cars. What do all these industries have in common? We have no business getting involved in any of them. None. Of. Them.

I think this mess should change its name to San Francisco Power Surge. Nap time, kiddies.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 30, 2010 @ 5:41 pm

Pretty sad that this is down to name calling and personal insults.

You have to wonder how a leading candidate can be in fights with four neighbors at 3 addresses. As it appears none of the four parties clashing with Moss seem to have clashed with any other neighbor, a rather ominous sign.

I just watched the vote for me by Steve Moss and again he talks about all the green jobs he has created and hundreds of thousands in savings to BV/HP residents but to date I have seen no backing documents or even a real number that can be verified.

Moss' campaign is being run by the group in Marin, and frankly the attitude he gives Marin seems a much better place for him.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 8:33 am

Steve Moss rented a house on my block about 8 months ago.

I have created a video along with a page to show what kind of a neighbor he is:

Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 8:37 am

So sorry you are dealing with this, my head would have exploded by now!

I would start to call animal control and then the police.

This dog is clearly in distress and is trying to get help.

I understand you don't want to make waves or be a 'bad' neighbor - but this is over the top.

Please for the dog's sake - make a call.

Posted by Potrero Kid on Nov. 03, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

So sorry you are dealing with this, my head would have exploded by now!

I would start to call animal control and then the police.

This dog is clearly in distress and is trying to get help.

I understand you don't want to make waves or be a 'bad' neighbor - but this is over the top.

Please for the dog's sake - make a call.

Posted by Potrero Kid on Nov. 03, 2010 @ 3:06 pm

So the news is out and it isn't good for the SFBG progressives. Your candidate's a loser and isn't even getting any bad press. It looks like Moss and Cohen have made it to the end. The BeyondChron's articles aren't even mentioning Belly. I guess you can thank all the help from the progressive allies, including Crampo. Hey Dave - just a note about leadership. If you don't stick your neck out, how can you call it leadership? Looks like you led the troops into the sunset. Oh, still think endorsing four candidates wasn't a mistake and we didn't understand? We didn't get it? I think it's the progressive who got it. The SFBG endorsed three. Whazzamatter? Couldn't find a fourth?


Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 10:48 am

Pretty sad said: Pretty sad that this is down to name calling and personal insults.

Neighbor's video? Attacks on the candidate's sister? Dog barking? Lawsuits? Here's a thought. You've destroyed your own platform with these psychotic posts. The ugly campaign tone started with the SFBG's attack on Moss. I wonder if you'll ever take some credit for the damage you've done to the progressive movement in SF. Doubt it. Failure's an orphan.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 10:56 am

This has to be Moss again.

Mr. Moss, you chose to run as a candidate and with that comes people questioning your character.

You have lived in three places in four years and are in conflict with four different unassociated parties, as a resident that seems very concerning, and we don't get to ask, is that how you'll act a supervisor.

The SFBG reported in Cohen's property issues, Sweet's tax issues and I do not see a single comment from them.

The SFBG singled out Sweet's campaign manager, again he is not on here winging, guess he thinks it goes with the territory. Actually, whether you like his answer or not he answered.

Moss received millions from the taxpayer and we are not allowed to ask questions.

He used a work address to file in a district he did not live at the time and an e-mail from his wife stated that they'd stay to see if he could win?

I believe, per the records, Moss filed the lawsuit and not the other party, same at Dolores.

I have to admit that I do not like Chris Daly and his approach to government. However at least when he was questioned he opened the book and said give me your best shot.

How dare Moss think that he can take money and not answer for it, the level of arrogance is astounding. Some of us make $18 a hour and that tax money is considerable to us, we have the right to ask.

As for the barking dog, listen to the audio, fair to say it would drive anyone insane.

The questions asked of Moss could have been answered in three hours, the follow up articles obviously came as he refused to answer.

The sad truth will be if he gets elected.

Posted by Pretty sad. on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 1:19 pm

Why would you think Moss is answering your posts? Vanity? Self delusion? Brain freeze? "He's not winging." Winging what? His wings? Maybe you meant "winding" as in "The time's winding down on the progressive agenda." Or maybe you meant "wanking" as in - oh, you know what that means, don't you. I seem to remember that Moss answered, too. What - his answers aren't as good as Sweet's? Her manager's answers were "more correct?" As in "more political correct?" You, friend, need to take yourself a little less seriously and consider the effects of your psychotic behavior. It's killing your progressive agenda.

Let me say it again, very clearly. Either take your case downtown or STFU. Everyone's sick of this.


Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 1:41 pm

The anger from the Moss camp is astounding.

Let's ask them a simple question:

How many green jobs did Moss create? How many are still employed and by who?

He's never answered, you don't need to add a comment, just the number, how many and how long they were employed?

Everyone is sick of not getting any answers, give us a link, anything where Moss gives the exact number and time employed?

Posted by Pretty sad. on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 3:11 pm

Question time:

1. Which candidate got into a street shouting match?

2. Which candidate was personally seen ripping other candidates door material off and ripping to pieces in the BV.

3. Which posts to which candidate seem the most angry and nasty?

4. Who's campaign manager got the most upset when someone posted questions about their candidate demanding answers?

5. Who didn't live in the district and had to change their story?

6. Has a track record of constantly getting into conflict with neighbors?

I hope whomever gets elected has a clear head, even temper and able to work under pressure, one seems to failed the test perfectly.

Posted by Anger management. on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 3:17 pm

Even with the voice of a candidate for supervisor and the voice of the Potrero View,
Steve Moss still has not properly answered any of the many questions the Guardian and others have been raising for weeks now. Nor has he answered any of
the knowledgeable commenters on this blog.

Very telling. The key point is that Steve has collected millions of dollars in ratepayer money (courtesy of PG&E) and tax payer money (courtesy of the SFPUC) and maintains by his silence that he doesn't have to account for it.

Knowing that I would bring this up during the campaign, Steve asked to meet me months ago at Sallys to go over the issue. He made a critical point.
He said that he didn't believe in fighting PG&E, "because you can't win." I told him then, and I will repeat now, that position is no recommendation for an owner of the Potrero View and a supervisorial candidate from our district.

PG&E has a simple policy in giving out money to a non profit/proft operation like Moss's. PG&E decides what agency and how much to give to keep the agency safe for PG&E on public power. And, if the agency crosses PG&E, it is most likely to lose its funding.
So there's yet another question: if Steve is elected, will he give up his non profit/profit operation? Will he cut his ties to PG&E? B3

Posted by Guest Bruce on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 4:09 pm


The irony of your writing in all of this is that you actually been rather kind to Mr. Moss.

Example, you state that "$1,290,000m was paid to his non-profit". This is lawyer talk. Actually he paid this directly to himself in a self awarded management fees from himself to himself.

The true story is far worse and what makes that obvious is Moss doing everything he can to avoid answering any question that might nail him down.

The sad part of the story is that anyone can get elected with powerful enough attorneys, the right position, repeal rent control and vote for a big hospital or say they'll never touch cops pensions and they can snake in.

I hope that the largest voting block, especially the North Slope, has looked into Moss enough to realize that there are so many unanswered questions that they vote for others.

At the very least I am thankful that if Moss doesn't get elected that the State and city PUC will look at what he did and will never give a dime more.

Bruce and Sarah, at least you can sleep at night hopefully knowing that Moss or any other opportunist will not get a chance to run off with taxpayer dollars again and pull a number like this again.

Posted by Easy question for Moss on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 5:04 pm

Moss, here is an easy couple of questions for you:

1. How much of the refund money did you take in percentage as an administration fee from the hundreds of thousands you say you saved.

2. Of the percentage you took, --%, how did you justify that amount and where did it go and how was it accounted for?

You know the answer, I know you do, why not post and give us all a direct answer,.

Posted by Easy question for Moss on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

Hey Kiddies. See that flash of color? Hear the motors getting fainter in the distance? That's the parade passing you by. The PGE horse is dead. You're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Enjoy the ice in your beverage.

Adios, losers.

Note to Bruce. I can only assume the anti-Mossketeers posing on this blog are not SFBG staffers. If they are you're a winner at picking some crappy writers. In aggregate they can't write and they can't spell. "Whose responsible for this?" "My companies the real deal." "Its a shame." And those run on sentences are enough to make your skin crawl and your eyes pop out of your head and when I tell you you won't be replacing PGE any time soon you better take my word for it and that's the last post from me on the SFBG.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 01, 2010 @ 6:08 pm

This is the same blogger that goes on and on about spelling.

Why is asking Moss questions considered anti Moss, amazing concept.

All the voters want is a few answers and for him to be forthcoming.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 02, 2010 @ 7:02 am

Nice comment genius. Your paragraphs run on forever.

How many jobs did Moss create?

No words, just a number.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 02, 2010 @ 7:54 am

Steve Moss rented a house on my block about 8 months ago.

I have created a video along with a page to show what kind of a neighbor he is:

Watch the 5-minute video:

On YouTube

On Vimeo

Posted by Guest on Nov. 02, 2010 @ 12:09 pm

I take it that there won't be a welcome committee for loser boy and the $300K that downtown idiots wasted on an utter loser candidate.

Plus he has to deal with neighbors that despise him on every corner, a fitting tribute to a complete failure.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 03, 2010 @ 6:43 am