Will theme camps get the remaining Burning Man tickets?

The best real estate in Black Rock City every year is reserved for theme camps.
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Organizers of Burning Man are working on a plan to deal with the fact that most longtime burners were denied tickets to this year's event – the result of a new lottery system that seems to have been gamed by ticket scalpers and agencies – and sources tell us it could involve distributing tickets through established theme camps and art collectives.

Black Rock City LLC board member Marian Goodell said last week, in comments to the Guardian and a post the next day on the LLC's Burning Blog, that organizers are very concerned that so many members of groups that create most of the temporary city's infrastructure, art, and entertainment didn't get tickets this year. Surveys show only about 20-33 percent of established camp members got tickets, even less in some camps.

"It's clear that the theme camps and art projects are a significant part of the community, and this situation is causing problems for them. That's the part that will hurt us if we don't take another look at this,” Goodell told me, saying that the LLC planned to gather information and make an announcement within two weeks.

Since then, the LLC has asked many established theme camps and art collectives for specific information on how many of their members still need tickets. There were 700 registered theme camps in 2010, the last year for which the LLC has made that information publicly available, as well as 275 registered art installations, and 1,000 art car permit applications.

Several sources tell us the LLC is considering canceling the open ticket sale that is scheduled for March 28, at which the final 10,000 tickets were to be sold online on a first come, first served basis. Instead, they would sell some or all of those tickets through the leadership of established theme camps and art collectives.

Goodell hasn't returned Guardian calls on the idea, which sources say has not yet been formally adopted. Yet Goodell said the LLC has ruled out the idea of re-doing last week's lottery of 40,000 tickets and replacing it with a registration and regulated aftermarket system that would deter gouging by scalpers, as many have suggested, so they don't seem to have many good options available at this point.

Clearly, the idea of selling tickets through the camps would help reduce the widespread anxiety that much the city's art and entertainment won't come to fruition this year, which could have a detrimental impact on the offerings and character of Black Rock City. In my book, The Tribes of Burning Man, I argue that these camps and collectives are the basic building blocks of this culture and the city it creates each summer in Nevada's Black Rock Desert. As LLC board member Harley Dubois said on its website, “Theme camps are the interactive core of Burning Man.”

But she has also told me that it's important for Black Rock City to be just as accessible to those who choose to camp independently or with small groups that don't register for placement on the playa, so it's unlikely that a decision to value theme camps and art collectives over other types of citizens would completely quell concerns over this year's ticket fiasco.

What do you think?


With the price for tickets so expensive. I hope they clean the porto potties more often.
Last year most were filled to the brim disgusting

Posted by Guest Dog Rancher on Feb. 22, 2012 @ 11:15 am

This would have been my third burn and I was so ready to really be part of the community. Now I feel like Burning man has broke up with me because i wasn't Burny enough.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 15, 2012 @ 11:49 am

I was very disappointed in the comments that I have been seeing. I am not part of a theme camp, just a camp that has been growing every year and if we all get tickets we will be number in the 20s. People here just keep bitching about who should get preferential treatment and all they care about is themselves. I remember my first year being completely blown away by BM and I think if the majority of people are virgins this year the feeling will be contagious. I am trying to stay positive and hoping to figure out a way to get some tickets. Our theme camp has been pooling ticket costs to make it fair for all invloved. There have also been talks of reselling tickets (at face value) to the camp members that do most of the work. If you guys are an indication of how bitter and selfish the "old timers that have been coming to BM for years" are then I am glad that you are thinking of skipping a year and not gracing the newbies with your taintful, cynical presence.

Posted by Katya on Feb. 15, 2012 @ 10:38 am

75 tickets on Stubhub, starting from $750 each up to two tickets at $5000! Unbelievable . At least there are "only" 75 online for sale today

Posted by ChrisQ on Feb. 15, 2012 @ 10:11 am

for the people who pass on this year after having been 5 or 10 years in a row - it will be a very sobering experience. the year i involuntarily skipped after 9 years was like going threw withdrawal. reminded me of the first year i skipped christmas.

but when you get past it, you realize that you were on a type of drug, dependent or even addicted to it. for me, i started to see that all my friends were burners and i had become immersed in the culture. i was criticized for skipping a year (though it was out of my control), and found i was even being ostracized to a degree. i started questioning if my friends were actually my friends and realized that if we weren't talking about burning man, there really wasn't much else we had in common.

so to have that forced on you, a lot of people are going to come out of the fog like i did. i never went back to burning man and i have almost no contact with any of my old burner friends that i thought would be friends for life. that's been good for me, but i can see 2013 being about 70-80% first and second year attendees.

Posted by cuddles on Feb. 13, 2012 @ 4:40 am

There seem to be about 10,000 tickets that have slipped through the cracks, if 40% were newbies then 12,000 newbies and 18,000 Burners got tickets. Are insiders cashing in on the spectacular popularity of Burning Man?


Posted by BurnersXXX on Feb. 11, 2012 @ 6:22 pm

The rest of this year is about damage control. Personally I hope the BORG just sticks with the original plan and doesn't attempt to cater to theme camps. The allocation of tickets to some people in camps without tickets for everyone in a camp could lead to more true bitterness and resentment than is perceived to be out there now. People who pursue tickets to this are movers and shakers by nature and don't need elaborate theme camps to connect with each other.

As for the future, I am just thinking outside of the box here and haven't seen this suggested: INSTEAD OF INCREASING the SIZE of Burning Man, maybe INCREASE its DURATION. There could be two weeks with two batches of tickets. The first week would be "daytime" BRC and the following week a "nighttime" BRC. I suppose everyone would have to leave between weeks (people who want to participate both weeks could go soak in hot springs for a couple of days or whatever), or some other logistics could be worked out that preserves the continuity of theme camps for both weeks. The man and the temple could burn at the end of the second week (treat the second week as the core event and charge more money for tix - no loud music requested at night during the first week), and a new major event like "utopia burn" could be created to close the first week. My hunch is that the growing demand for tickets mostly comes from the raver community and subdividing the event could help relieve that pressure while preserving the core culture of Burning Man (my humble self would prefer to go the first week). Something like that.

I hate the idea of drivers licenses or personal IDs or passports being a requirement for getting a ticket. That brings in 'the man' that we are trying to burn. Duh.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 8:44 pm

Spoken like a true scalper that has never been and has absolutely no clue about our culture. Only looking for an increase in tickets to scalp!
Please go find yourself some Disneyland tickets to sell. I might buy those from you. You don't belong here!

Posted by Spanky "D" on Feb. 13, 2012 @ 5:34 pm

hmm, fertility, maybe it is time for the zygote to divide

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 8:58 pm

Every environment reaches a maximum capacity. The true radical self-reliant types will find another environment that is sustainable to a group gathering and create their own awesome event without "the man."

In the words of Yogi Berra, "Burning Man is too popular. No one (who is cool and creative and interesting) goes there anymore." (It's only for the tourist industry these days.)

Posted by Guest on Feb. 11, 2012 @ 7:44 pm

BM has not been permitted by BLM yet.
If the EI statement can not mitigate the EI issues concerning the event.
The population can be reduced to 40K or less.
Lets wait and see what happens before selling another 10K in tickets.
And hold on what tickets you have till the event is green lighted to proceed by BLM
It could be June or July before it is issued.
BM has many hurdles to overcome in regards to the EI
Dog Rancher

Posted by Guest Dog Rancher on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 10:31 am

Dog Rancher is right. I interviewed BLM officials yesterday and was somewhat surprised to learn the population cap for this year won't be set until the Environmental Assessment is finalized in June (a draft is due next month), and that it's entirely possible that the LLC will have a lower population cap than the one it is seeking for this year, which is 58,000. I'll post more from these interviews and other interesting ones I've been conducting early next week, but for now I have other topics to attend to.


P.S. I enjoyed Andie Grace's new post on the situation (http://blog.burningman.com/2012/02/news/ticket-update-radical-inclusion-...) and appreciated that she (on behalf of the LLC) finally revealed how many ticket registrations there were: about three times the 40,000 available tickets. I've been asking for and being denied that info for two weeks and I think even more information sharing would be appropriate at this point, consistent with her pledge to be "as transparent and honest as we can."

Posted by steven on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 11:54 am

Trilobyte (you know the main guy at eplaya.com) wrote an excellent peice on the ticket fiasco ( http://eridusociety.org/trilotix/ ) It's well worth reading. Basically no one want's fair, they just want their ticket.

Like Trilobyte i'm not so convinced it's a scalpers problem, more just a problem with scarcity. I argue ( http://fieldofnoise.com/articles/the-burning-man-ticket-problem ) that the only to eliminate scarcity and scalping is through higher ticket prices.

My biggest fear for this year is getting to the playa to find nothing... No fun theme camps, no big art installations, I think redistributing those tickets amongst people who have a proven track record in running theme camps and creating amazing art will go a long ways in perserving the spirit of BM.

Posted by Intentss on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 8:52 pm

I am disappointed,
Camps are the heart of Burning man.
Many of them this year will not be able to participate and continue the story of this town.
I dont understand why this idea of lottery, was a good idea if they were offering a small number of cheaper thicket instead than 40.000 almost the total quantity permitted.
Camps need priority, they have a history they need to have a guaranteed spot each year.
To many people are mixing this soup. they are ruining the spirit of BM

Posted by Guest frany on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:07 pm

"...distributing tickets through established theme camps and art collectives."

that means the 10k tickets go to friends and family of the people who work for the org. if you think your cool theme camp of 50 people that has been going for 10 years is going to see any of those tickets, guess again. unless you've personally sucked larry's cock or eaten-out crimson rose (barf!), then you're in trouble.

Posted by susie-bunny on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 11:00 am

absolutely 100% fucking-ay right. These naive theme camps and "long-time" participants have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.... Friends of Larry will be first, then proteges of BRAF will be second, large theme camps with sexual ties to the Org will be 3rd and whatever's left will be a distant 4th....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:17 pm

BMorg isn't interested in theme camps and art cars. those things take up too many administrative hours, and distract from the BM funded installations. BMorg would be happy with 50k spectators going from installation to installation, rather than the mouthy, ego-driven theme camps who feel entitled to everything. the art cars are dangerous. the whole event needs to be safer and saner, and this is BMorgs way of finally making that happen.

Posted by trex on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:44 am

If you eliminate theme camps and such from the Playa all Bm becomes is a very large art show that requires a lot of walking around. You could get though this in three days so just hold it for the long weekend. All the Virgins are going to wonder what all the fuss was about. Burning Man will lose the media buzz and we can all come back in 2013. I could use the break anyway.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:21 am

it's been about 40% newbies and virgins since about 2006. given the number of people who just wander around looking for the next thing to stand in-line for is astounding. you lose about 90% of those folks every year, but they're replaced by others ready to hump the burning man dream and have an 'authentic' BM experience... like maybe they'll get to ride on an art car.

this year might be one of the best years in recent memory - can you imagine 80% virgins and clueless tourists? no theme camps - just nothing but art installations and DPW abusing everyone because there will be no veterans to tell those gutter rats to leave the pre-teen girls alone.

could be epic.

Posted by trex on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 11:07 am

Hi, I'm surprised no one has brought up this fact:
Last year Burning Man solicited business from theme camps and sold shipping containers to them which are stored on Burning Man's "80 acres" property north of Gerlach. We now own our own container in Gerlach, in which we store all the building blocks of our camp. We pay for storage and delivery to the playa each year. It's a great boon for us, as it eliminates stakebed truck rentals and saves us time and energy packing and unpacking the truck and storage units. Some theme camps rent storage units in Empire. Therefor theme camps have somewhat of a stakeholder investment in returning to the playa each year, which has been explicitly encouraged by the Burning Man organization. If theme camps who own/rent these units cannot get their membership in to be present as a camp, they lose dues and possibly cannot pay for the annual storage bills.

As Burning Man actively solicited purchases from theme camp groups, either by phone call or emails, we feel that there should be some responsibility on the part of the event to make sure we can build our camps by allowing enough tickets for our core members to buy and get into the event. AS investors in the Burning Man business side of things, and also in the local economy of Gerlach and Empire, we have become more than merely participants, clients or visitors to the event. We are financially invested in the future of the event and the organization. I assume that Burning Man did not foresee this outcome, but now they are in a position somewhat akin to corporate responsibility to investors, which are theme camps, whether people want to admit it or not.

Posted by rocketgirl on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 9:04 am

Stop with your entitlement. We've all invested huge amounts of money. Some of us have storage in Reno some in Empire and many of us locally on the east and west coast. So fucking what? Why should anyone get special treatment. Just because you jumped on the headache reducing offering of storage by bmorg does not entitle you to jack.... Sorry buddy....Get over it... You're not an investor. They have no fiduciary responsibility to any theme camp.

Maybe its time for you and your camp to retire.... I'll make an offer on your used shade structures... Us functional non-entitled non-whining theme camps will find a way to get to the event and we could use some of your stuff....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:14 pm

That's what I'm talking about!

Posted by Guest on Feb. 21, 2012 @ 9:02 am

Sorry but this argument falls short. You are not an investor in the "Burning Man business", entitled to preferential treatment. You paid the BMorg for the convenience of storing your gear close by. That doesn't meet any definition of the word investment. There are thousands of unregistered camps that have come year in and year out, spending their time and money to build and contribute to BRC. We have all "invested" in this city. Many people pay for storage in the surrounding communities also and everyone that comes to the burn dumps money into the local economies. Everyone has been screwed this and the idea that "we are more deserving because our camp is bigger and louder and has more lights and spends more money" is an idea that is the antithesis of the ideals that have built this city. Giving the remaining tickets to the big theme camps will simply add to the resentment and fracturing of our already fractured community.

Posted by Guest Jonathon Brent on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 12:13 pm

Interesting. But how many camps have invested in shipping containers?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:47 am

so, how does STEP work if scalpers/purchasers/ticketholders don't put tickets in?

Posted by trust on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 1:53 am

We got lucky this year. Like everyone else, both BlinkyBunny and I put in for two tickets a piece, to give ourselves more chance to get a pair for ourselves. As it happened, both of us won the lottery.

Immediately, we were inundated with requests for our extras from our playa community. We're unloading them at face value plus the stupid little fees that the BORG charges for "delivery." In other words, exactly what we got them for. But we won't use STEP, because STEP charges a restocking fee, making sure that NO ONE in their right mind uses it. Why would you pay the BORG MORE money to unload your ticket when Craigslist and personal networks can do for free what STEP charges you to do?

And incidentally, making tickets non-transferrable this year won't work either. What are you going to tell the people who secured tickets through people like us? Now they don't have one again?

Alas, the way things are going, we may just wind up with two more tickets to get rid of, because I'm not sure it's going to be worth going this year.

Posted by Chairman Meow on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 8:54 am

Marian told me that they planned to waive the restocking fee for the first thousand or so tickets to encourage use of the STEP system, but that details are still being worked out and she hasn't been returning my calls to answer questions like this.


Posted by steven on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:49 am

If you're not one of the first thousand, there's still no reason to use it.

Posted by Greg on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

I'm sad. None of my local friends, none of my playa friends won tickets, why should I try. I do remember 11 years ago, when I attended completely alone, and it was fun, a bit like traveling Europe alone. Exciting, but going to bed at night alone, even if I did bring home a trick. Still alone. I worked to build my little BM community. It will work out, and it will be differerent. I may save the thousands this year and hang with my friends here at home, with our own party. I'll STEP my ticket...

Posted by ChrisQ on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 1:23 am

I'm sure I'm not the only one who year after year finds ways to contribute way more than the previous year. That's whats made the yearly pilgrimage what it is today. Then, exactly how is this supposed majority population shift from veteran contributors to newcomers going to make Fertility 2.0 better than last year?

Forget about being sad, angry or upset. This is a major enthusiasm killer--coming at a time where early planning means EVERTHING. Even if I'm lucky enough to secure a ticket in the next couple of months, I'm likely to scrap any plans on our camp's growth, our Playa event's, the art car project, etc., for BM 2012 is destined to be lackluster, that is--depending on how this all plays out.

So, 25 thousand virgins are going to erect a likened Trojan horse or run a major sound camp? Yea--sure.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 10:17 pm

I don't know about the horse but major sound camps are a dime a dozen... Rent 1 x 10,000 watt sound system for a week = a couple of thousand bucks.... Purchase/rent a 10,000 watt generator.. Bring all of your buddies to DJ and advertise on ePlaya for more DJs.... Jesus, a sound camp is the EASIEST thing to produce....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:36 pm

My concern is that the upcoming lottery will have the same results as the previous one with only a portion going to people actually planning to attend.

Though theme camps are an intregal part of Burning Man they aren't the essence of it - it's the collective individuals of different interests and beliefs. Some offering more while some only spectating. Theme camps provide an opportunity to share and participate and are made up of burners that give their heart and soul to make it great.

It wouldn't be fair to provide preference to camps and alienate those that wish to be individuals or stay in small groups.

A proposal could be to provide preferences to theme camps but only a percentage of their members, say 30-40%. I know that our camp of 26 last year, only 12 would be considered essental to operating it. This is the bottom line of whether the camp would make it or not. Many camps need a higher percentage but the number of tickets can't support it. Also, that the number of tickets given preference should not exceed half of what's avaiable. This allows for anyone else that wants to attend to have a chance to do so.

By giving some preference to theme camps you are also guaranteed that those tickets will go to actual attendee.

Another proposal is to renegotiate with BLM to increase the number of attendees this year. This would decrease the demand to purchase overpriced tickets from scalpers and may possibly leave some scalpers with unsellable tickets and a hurt in their bank accounts.

Posted by Jimbo on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 9:37 pm

The 12 hour exodus line wasn't long enough for you, huh?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

There are over 700 registered theme camps.

There are 10,000 tickets left.

This means there are about 14 tickets per registered theme camp.

Only 20% - 30% of each registered theme camp got tickets.

Assuming equal ticket distribution, this means that unless your camp is 20 people or fewer, you will STILL be looking for tickets if they all go to theme camps.

I know, I know - your camp has a huge expensive sound system and DJ Pumpkin is going to be playing there, so it should get more. Oh, and yours is "Green Camp", where everyone dresses like a Christmas Tree and which has been a playa INSTITUTION for 15 YEARS, so it should get more. Because if your camp doesn't get set up, Burning Man is over for good.

But, boy, that leaves us in a bit of a pickle. Because a whole lot of people who go to Burning Man don't go for the huge techno parties or for the privilege of being invited into that giant camp with a really great kitchen. They go for the chance meeting with the couple camping alone, celebrating their honeymoon and handing out Polaroids, and for the weird pig-mask performance art that keeps stumbling out of the unplaced tent-trailer next door, and for the 6-person camp of virgins that inivited them in for an iced tea, because they're Iced Tea camp.

Sure, theme camps will probably suffer. So will the art. Not everyone who wants to go to Burning Man will be able to go. Maybe you are one of those people. That's what happens when things sell out of tickets - and that's what finally happened at Burning Man. But if my math is correct (and it is), another ill-conceived, poorly executed and hare-brained scheme by BMorg to make amends by distributing tickets amongst the chosen few will just result in further alienation and outrage from the community it's trying to please, without actually solving any of the problems.

First-come, first-served non-transferrable tickets in the next sale makes the most sense to me, but what do I know? I am genuinely curious to see how Marian, Larry and the rest plan to stem the tide of panic, disappointment and entitlement that's come out of the whole lottery process.

Posted by Math Whiz on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

"But, boy, that leaves us in a bit of a pickle. Because a whole lot of people who go to Burning Man don't go for the huge techno parties or for the privilege of being invited into that giant camp with a really great kitchen. They go for the chance meeting with the couple camping alone, celebrating their honeymoon and handing out Polaroids, and for the weird pig-mask performance art that keeps stumbling out of the unplaced tent-trailer next door, and for the 6-person camp of virgins that inivited them in for an iced tea, because they're Iced Tea camp."

Thanks for that, it made my day.

Posted by old burner on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 12:46 pm

Yup. Well written.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 09, 2012 @ 10:58 am

I do like what you have written here.


Posted by Guest on Feb. 11, 2012 @ 9:17 pm

If I was "The Man" and had screwed up so royally I would be looking for outs. With the community generally circling together against me I would be looking for how to divide them. One way that comes to mind is give preferential treatment to some subset of the population (Theme Camps in this case). Those benefiting from "The Man" would be put into a position to have to support this action. At the same time the anger of others would be diverted to the now co-opted Theme Camps and at least in part away from "The Man".

I do not think I believe this point of view and I dearly hope to be wrong. On the other hand there have been a few times receintly where I thought BM was making the wrong move but I went along with their assurences that everything would be fine...

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 4:25 pm

Wow that is beautifully Machiavellian..... Hahah. I actually suspect the same outcome but not for such nefarious purposes. I've just seen how the Org operates and they tend-to hookup all their friends and buddies first. its one reason why we use Inticketing, even though they clearly can't handle the load and have said so privately, and its why Flaming Lotus Girls and Pepe Ozman have grant funding for their art projects for what like 8 years in a row?

If they do preferential treatment, it will 10,000 probably divided by a small subset of theme camps and art projects of friends, lovers, and connections.... Most of us who haven't been going for 25 years and/or haven't slept with Larry don't have those kinds of connections and will be left out in the dust (FYI I've been going for 9 years and part of a fairly sizable theme camp with no ties to the org and no expectations of anything)

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:34 pm

Full disclosure: I've had a theme camp since 1998 and I lost in the lottery.
I think the lottery had a two-fold outcome, and I loudly voiced my opinion prior to the lottery registration. I thought it was anti-theme camp and pro-scalper. That seems to be playing out.

But, giving theme camps the remaining tickets would be folly in my opinion. I tend to think that for 2012 they should just muddle through as is. They can probably still learn a few things before they make an actual considered decision. Changing the tune mid-stream would probably only serve to further divide the community.

Posted by Amii on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 12:51 pm

I've been in a theme camp for every one of my many burns. Theme camps contribute a great deal: registered camps, art camps, unregistered camps, as do 8 people who do not call themselves a theme camp but get together and decide to do something they've never done (like bake bread and hand it out). Giving preference to established large theme camps is unfair to the smaller, lesser known ones who give gads of joy to passersby. It is even unfair to the members of the larger theme camps who are not considered 'key', but have been there for many years, helping out, participating, adding value. What an awful place to put the theme camp leaders, who will have to decide who is key and who is not, who is in and who is out. Makes for internal resentments from those who valued, but somehow are not 'key' enough.

The article suggests that BM has decided it will not redo the lottery from Step 1. It also suggests that they will not impose an attach a name to a ticket, refundable only through selling back to BM policy, without explaining why they think this simple change to force the ticket back from scalpers will not work. Perhaps they fear the wrath of powerful scalpers, who may sue because of an addition to the stated ticket STEP procedures, despite the ticket being a 'revocable license'.

What about the actual Burners, many thousands of them, who also relied upon the stated 3 step process? Step 1: Buy in round 1 at highest price. If cannot afford, then Step 2: enter lottery in round 2. If unlucky, then Step 3: can buy again, later, at a somewhat lesser price than in round 1. Personally, I did not bid in Round 1. In round 2, I only bid for the first two price tiers, since, the 3d price was the same as the price in round 3. I also only bid for the 2 tix I need. Silly me for playing fair.

Simply eliminating Step 3 does not address the greater harm and does not implement a process to transfer all tickets fairly and at cost. Eliminating Step 3 is to the detriment of all the people who relied upon BM's stated policy for the ticket sale process this year. They will be hurting Burners because of fear of the big, bad scalpers. They will also be alienating thousands. It's almost like choosing to harm the 99% (us), for fear of backlash from the powerful 1% (scalper companies). And it does not fix the greater problem.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 11:57 am

First, can we just read Jackrabbit and save the pain of wading through Steve "I Wrote a Book" Jones' pablum? I mean, Maid Marion is cool and all, but I wasn't aware that the Guardian was on her payroll.
Second, to the issue at hand: The theme camps aren't the best way to distribute tickets while maintaining the sort of unique, inclusive community the event has sought to create. They're just the lowest-hanging fruit. To steal a metaphor, when the only tool you have is a theme camp, every problem must start to look like a rave.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 10:46 am

Agreed on all counts. I think distributing via theme camps would be a colossal mistake for many reasons, and I run a theme camp. Granted we did better than the average group (myself excluded!) but lets face it people in theme camps are more connected and will have more options getting tickets later once the clusterfuck dust settles. Second, they will most certainly distribute these tickets to favorite theme camps and Friends of Larry(tm) as they with do with everything else out there. Third, it would alter the ratio of burning man and tilt it towards established theme camps. I don't think this is a good thing. There are thousands of non-registered theme camps that are as important if not more important than Opulent Temple and DoucheBag Burger Joint or what have you....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

Yes, listen to the corporation and ignore the journalists and community members, because that's working out so well this year. I'm constantly amazed at how much faith many burners place in these six board members, who won't reveal any financial information or other data from this fiasco and who have said they're now in the process of extracting their personal payouts from our community before turning Burning Man over to a new nonprofit they created and on their terms and timeline. Funny, I wasn't aware that Obedience was one of the 10 Principles,

Posted by steven on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

Some of us choose to not listen to douchebag journalists that spread misinformation and constantly tout their lame-ass book while simualtenously claiming to have discovered that "theme camps are the lifeblood of burning man." Please vommittt...

If this is who you want to listen to, go right ahead..... I can give you some other shameless self-promoters to follow as well....

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

Burning Man is an event held for the public. I'm not sure the exact statistics, but I speculate that far more people attend the burn than read JRS.

Posted by Amii on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

I am so distressed that BM has come to this. I was unable to go last year because of financial concerns and this year is unfortunately no better. I am so blessed that I did get to experience it two years in a row and feel all that the community is about. I agree with risingbuffalo it will unfold as it unfolds. I can only pray that they will know how to fix the problem for next year and that my life will be sorted by then. Self reliance is a powerful thing and I am embracing, all the universe supplies without wanting anything in return. Thank you BM for all the lessons and friends and I will pray that this problem finds an equitable solution. I do believe the theme camps are desperately needed so I hope the lottery doesn't force closure of many until next year when the problem is fixed.But then again what do I know. This year will certainly show how without some infrastructure there, it could implode with "tourists". May the heart of Burning Man stay with us everyday even if we cannot go to the event. Blessings, Kalina/Coillinn

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 10:42 am

Dear Loving Fellow Burners
Won't you drive for days to arrive at the BM, not matter what?? Surprised that no shots are aimed at BLM. How fucking big is the playa? How many hundreds of thousands of Burners and art could you pack on that dusty vastness if it had no fence? Does BMorg have a contract with real dollars tied to BLM? Do they lose money if we move to another venue-like the suggested Indian Reservation-nearby, with a yummy lake? The ticket mess has happened and is over-what can be done to expand the boundaries to accommadate all who wish to attend? How many want to have a tickets? 60,000? 75,000? 100,000? If inclusion is in our rules, it's the name of the game, so, where do we go to be accomodating? If BLM and Nevada don't want the additional artists and virgins and tourists and campers, can we pull stakes and go where we are loved? BLM has been shown year after year that Burners do what they promise, care for the playa, follow the rules and are good stewards to the land. BLM controls the fence lines around the event. Part of the future negotiations must include not the restriction on the numbers of tickets, but that we as a tribe and community, have OUTGROWN the PLAYA. I am OK with grassy fields, no dust and a lake. American has a shitload of places and I will drive for days-as many others do- to find my B-Man. Any state.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 08, 2012 @ 10:40 am

Your so right please just go!!!

Posted by Guest Dog Rancher on Feb. 18, 2012 @ 12:45 pm

thats right just go!!

Posted by Guest on Feb. 10, 2012 @ 6:57 pm