Well now Tim, the panel chosen by the City of San Francisco to decide how to best insure the survival of the Red Legged Frog and the San Francisco Gater snake came to the conclusion that the eighteen hole golf course option is the best for the endangered species. GGNRA's Mori Point adjoining property has been cleaned up with new ponds for the frogs and lots of habitat for the snakes.

The "Restore Option" comes with a nearly 24 million dollar price tag. The latest accounting rendering (!2/09) says the golf course makes money. There was a snake killed by a mower but that was back in 1980. I think bulldozers might kill a few more. Snake count by the way was only about 20

Seems to me Sharp Park Golf Course is a community asset for a lot of senior citizens and sure is pretty coming down Sharp Park Road.

Thanks, mw. I also play at Sharp and Lincoln with my San Francisco Resident Card ($45 annually for the time being which gets you about a 33% discount on greens fees). They are both scruffy as hell but extraordinarily beautiful places, and Lincoln is an absolutely superb course for beginners, which is who mostly plays there. They come in all sizes, races, ages, and genders and it's one of the few places you can actually spend an afternoon with perfect strangers from all over the demographic map and have a good time.

Mirkarimi is being an ass about Sharp Park which makes me question his judgment on a whole host of other issues. I definitely think the best outcome would be for the town of Pacifica to take over Sharp Park. It's already their community center, in many respects, and I'm sure they can take much better care of the course than the historically dysfunctional San Francisco Rec & Park Department.

By the way, the report about golf course finances was actually done by Nancy Wuerfel (not Wuerfal) and it's a stunning account of mismanagement, misdirection, mispriorities, theft and outright lies by just about everyone in Willie Brown and then Newsom's administration. If you really take your job seriously as an investigative reporter, Mr. Redmond, you'd be contacting her immediately and writing the real story. Supervisor Elsbernd and Louise Renne, by the way, are at the rotten heart of it.

I don't know who was at that meeting and clapping, but I know who plays golf at Sharp and Lincoln Park as I play both. It is everyone who enjoys the game that cannot afford to play at rich, white, old guy private courses (ROWG's being the only racial/class grouping that is is considered PC to disparage - WTF - I don't have a problem with that).

Don't look at who has time to go sit through a Board of Supervisors meeting. Go look at who is on the course. What you'll find is a group as diverse as San Francisco. Heavily skewed to retirees, blue collar working stiffs, heavily skewed asian, many women, lots of students, including lots of young black, hispanic and asian Tiger Woods wannabees with stars in their eyes. Go attend one of Lance's weekend beginner golf classes at Lincoln. OWG's are a decided minority in those groups.

FWIW - A youtube video that gives you a good idea of the Sharp Park clientele.

Dividist:

Watching the Mirkirmi dog and pony show on cable access months ago the various people in charge of sharp park repeated the solvent state of the park, to be then followed directly by a string of talking point "environmentalist" who said it was losing money.

After the groundskeepers pointed out that all city courses have guidelines about not using chemicals, the "environmentalists" then rambled on about the chemicals. Things don't seem to sink in with some people.

It was excruciating to watch, the birther analogy is quite apt.

How does that shoot it in the foot? That makes no sense, the idiotic woman said what she said, she is whining about the park because its supposedly used by white older golfers. You don't find her statement ridiculous no matter who claps one way or another? Would it have been OK if she said it about some other demographic more to your victim sensibilities?

You seem to read quite a bit into my posts, yes there are race, gender inequities. Since there are these inequities its OK to bitch about white middle aged golfers, if you are a "environmentalist" its OK to be a classicist? What are you saying there?

And yes, the older people who golf are some of the people who paid taxes, that built the schools and roads etc... and kept this city going so that you and the clowns like Mirkirimi could show up and complain.

Lets see, exchanging goods and services for trade or money, the natural order. There are people who are capitalist's who have been vermin. A little socialism is fine, social security and I'm even for single payer, but died in the wool socialists are a menace. College liberal socialist, self styled radicals and what not are ridiculous on every level.

Tim,
Agreed. I think if the course was dragged out of the impenetrable SF accounting fog into a regional responsibility or even just a shared responsibility with Pacifica, everyone would soon understand that Sharp Park is a moneymaker. Then Mirkarimi is going to look like a complete idiot for falling under the influence of the Plater reality distortion zone and letting this course pass from city hands.

The whole Plater CBD thing is so bizarre I can't believe anyone takes it seriously. Just one example - The Berm. Plater complains about cost of maintaining the berm to protect the course. But the berm also protects highway 1 and several residential neighborhoods. In the KQED Forum he proposed that the entire berm be moved to the other side of the course. Srsly. He really said that. And no one called him on it. I mean WTF??? It is too expensive to maintain the berm, but it is ok to spend money to knock it down and build a new one that still needs to be maintained on the other side of the course??? Really??? Then if you look on the Restore Sharp Park Destroy Sharp Park Golf website - the berm is there in their phantasmagorical photoshopped "vision" of the restored park! With dozens of happy smiling hikers walking along a restricted path to presumably look at frogs. It is insane. The berm will obviously have to be there and will need to be maintained regardless of whether you have a course contributing 54,000 green fees per year to help pay for it. None of it makes any sense.

Glen wrote: " These golfers are the people who kept the city going for decades so that when all the carpet baggers showed up, the carpet baggers could ramble out their race and class attacks upon them."

Glen, once again: could you please back up this assertion with an actual argument? If you cannot, then I can only come to the conclusion that you do not have an argument and then why should anyone take your claims or posts seriously? Remember, ad homimems are not arguments.

Btw: I would still like to discuss with you which has done more harm to people: capitalism or socialism -- remember, totalitarianism is not socialism.

I don't think the city should give away the course, either -- and if Pacifica or San Mateo owned it, golf would remain anyway. But I do think that the course has some regional value, and that Rep. Speier ought to be looking for some money to make the improvements it needs.

This is all very entertaining, Mirkirimi and all the SF moonbats figured pitching to the home team would mean the end of Sharp Park. Then the city does a stunner and says the cheapest option is the best. In a city where the fringer's always get the home team advantage that must have been a huge shock. It was by the way the cheapest option.

The park it seems lost all of 42,000 last year. Considering all the wacky subsidies we are pouring down the bottomless rat hole of SF liberalism that is a real bargain.

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/Sharp-Park-audit-finds-losses-less-than-...

It like all SF golf courses doesn't use a host of chemicals. Many parks across the nation are going au-naturale as well, the complaint that golf course are using all these chemicals is losing its luster. The big golf course management companies are trending towards the natural angle.

The cities stab at a soccer field in Dolores Park was a monumental fail, it remains a hole filled sandy mess ten years later, that would be our cities typical concern for soccer players.

Last I checked the majority of golfers at the park are city residents. The left and its odd concerns around race and class and the park are pretty interesting. The assumption seems to be that the golfers are white, retired and upper middle class, so its OK to torment them and the park. These golfers are the people who kept the city going for decades so that when all the carpet baggers showed up, the carpet baggers could ramble out their race and class attacks upon them.

And finely

"restoring" Sharp Park would mean making it a salt water tide pool again, the snake and frog are fresh water animals not native to the area. To the newspeak left restoring it means keeping it a freshwater lagoon, not restoring it to its previous salt water lagoon status, which would kill both the snake and the frog off.

...oh and Daly apologists complaining about rude behavior?