SFBG Radio: Whitman's immigration problem

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Today Johnny and Tim talk about why Meg Whitman won't recover from her immigration problems -- and whether the roomate who drove a gay college student to suicide should wind up in prison. Listen up after the break.

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On Thursday, Meg Whitman said:

... that she would take a polygraph test to prove she did not know her housekeeper was undocumented "If it comes to that."

"I would be delighted to do that," Whitman said.

Later that day.........

From Meg Whitman's spokeswoman:

"She'll take a lie detector test when Jerry Brown and the accuser submit to a lie detector."

Oh.

Presumably Whitman became less than delighted with the news that her husband's handwriting was found on a 2003 letter from the Social Security Administration informing them that Ms. Diaz's name and number didn't match.

All this the day after Whitman:

... denied receiving letters from the IRS or Social Security Administration saying that Nicandra Diaz's name did not match her Social Security number.

Oops...............................

Posted by Guest Johnny Wendell on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 4:39 pm

Stupid question, if Meg did break the law, which it looks to be that way, why aren't the Democrats or someone on the left pursuing this? Anyways, how she handled her housekeeper's plead for help just goes to show you what a callous bitch she is. This woman is a modern day version of a plantation baroness that one saw in the 18th or 19th century.

Regarding that poor boy who killed himself, it doesn't surprise me. At the heart of it is society's continued believe that the love between to men or women is not equal to that of an opposite sex couple. Separate and not even equal, that's what we have here. What his roommate did was premeditated, and because of it, I'm not sure if that qualifies as manslaughter. I guess the best legal recourse would be to look at other instances where a stunt went bad and someone died, there has to be cases like this. But I would also apply a hate crime layer onto this. Like you guys mentioned, had he been a straight person, his jackass of a roommate wouldn't give a damn. Yeah, folks knew, but he wasn't officially out. And we have no idea if Tyler Clementi even thought he was entirely gay or bisexual. In college, one experiments, whether it's sex or drugs, this is the time one normally tries these things. No, what we have is what these monsters perceived he was, bottom line. So it's a hate crime.

I don't want to call Clementi the new Mathew Sheppard, but he comes awfully damn close. The same with that other poor child who shot himself. I hope Rutgers actually takes this incident and we get something productive out if it. I wish we as a nation would take these tragedies and do something positive. Why couldn't we teach kids in school that people are different? Hell, I remember growing up as someone disabled being harassed. You don't have to be gay to be picked on, trust me. But kids need to be taught that yes, you will find people who are of a different race, religion, sex, sexual orientation, physical ability, mental ability. You don't think the mentally challenged kid doesn't feel bad being called the school retard? Or if you're a Muslim, my God, after 9-11, those kids must have gone through pure hell.

Posted by Johnny Venom on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 4:56 pm

Matthew Shepard was dragged into a field against his will, beaten senseless and left to die, tied to a fence by two animals.

Tyler jumped on his own volition. Rutgers isn't exactly a few blocks from Ft Lee--he had time to change his mind and was not coerced.

His roommate violated his right to privacy, period. However much he may plead that "I had no idea he would have done what he did" is irrelevant--he is aware of the taboo, otherwise he would never have made such a production out of it. And it's true that he may have thought in today's society that Tyler would be comfortable enough with his own sexuality to let it pass, that doesn't mitigate the action of doing what he did.

I can't imagine the Clementi family's horror right now. That to me is worth a three year bid for the prick that set this chain of events into motion.

Posted by Guest Johnny Wendell on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 5:11 pm

I see your point about Mathew Sheppard, which was why I was hesitant in calling Clementi such. Indeed, perhaps the example is not even remotely close. But Tyler Clementi was targeted. I just can't shake the anger when I see this and all the other stories similar to this, and I can't seem to shake the feeling that the whole setup was done because they believed Clementi was gay. But as you said, he had time to change his mind. I don't know, man, I'm just pissed off. And like you said, the guy, well both of them, should go to jail.

Posted by Johnny Venom on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 5:29 pm

Over 10 years Whitman has paid this lady roughly $700,000 and it seems that none of it was reported to the IRS. Someone needs to launch a REAL investigation!

Posted by Jonny K on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 5:20 pm

The thing is no reasonable person could have foreseen that he would kill himself. Especially if nothing like this ever happened before. The filming was premeditated, but everything that happened after that was not.

Those two stupid kids had no idea what they were doing. AND I have no doubt if they knew it would end up like this, they wouldn't have done it.

Some punishment is appropriate. They should definitely be punished by Rutgers. Expulsion, probably. And it's a tough call on criminal charges. For this to go beyond harassment as far as charges go seems unlikely.

Now, these kids, their families and the university are all in a VERY bad position as far as any civil suit is concerned. I'm afraid if anything is to come of this in the courts, it'll have to be in civil court.

And no, not the same as Matthew Shepard.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 5:36 pm

The thing is no reasonable person could have foreseen that he would kill himself. Especially if nothing like this ever happened before. The filming was premeditated, but everything that happened after that was not.

Those two stupid kids had no idea what they were doing. AND I have no doubt if they knew it would end up like this, they wouldn't have done it.

Some punishment is appropriate. They should definitely be punished by Rutgers. Expulsion, probably. And it's a tough call on criminal charges. For this to go beyond harassment as far as charges go seems unlikely.

Now, these kids, their families and the university are all in a VERY bad position as far as any civil suit is concerned. I'm afraid if anything is to come of this in the courts, it'll have to be in civil court.

And no, not the same as Matthew Shepard.

Posted by EE on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 5:37 pm

After all, we're in the era of sports-fan politics, where truth and reason and the good of society are irrelevant. The only thing that matters any more is whether or not your "team" wins.

Posted by Pieter B on Oct. 01, 2010 @ 11:03 pm

Yes, please let's get the IRS on this. They came after me relentlessly for not paying the proper social security taxes on 10,000 worth of contract work one year back in the 90's. Because of fees and penalties it came to over 2000 dollars. So, I'm sorry, this woman paid out 700,000???? I admit my feelings for the IRS are even more virulent than they are for these idiot Republicans, but in this case I say, yeah, go get 'em.

Posted by Rae on Oct. 02, 2010 @ 5:30 am

Meg Whitman is a douche canoe. Hypocritical is being kind. I'm so sorry that her 'followers' are so stupid that they do not even see how they are being played. Undocumented people are NOT taking any jobs that Americans are actually willing to do. I doubt that you could get an unemployed middle management type to pick lettuce for a season, no matter HOW much you paid them. I am sick unto death of hearing that line "They're stealing our jobs" from people. It's bullshit.

I also believe very strongly that the students who are placing gay students into untenable situations should be punished. I think the governing boards of the schools involved should be held accountable as well. I understand that the Rutger's student had asked for a change of room/mate. His complaints and his issues were IGNORED by the school. I think the parents of the bullying students should also be punished, though unfortunately there is no penalty for obvious bad parenting. How do you raise a child to believe that it is perfectly okay to bully, frighten, VIDEOTAPE another student because he is gay, ethnic, or any other thing that is not what is PERCEIVED to be normal? i say send the LOT of them, the bullying students, their parents, and the toads that are collecting nice paychecks from these institutions of "higher learning", and bury them UNDER THE JAIL!

Posted by Guest Gabrielle Agachiko on Oct. 02, 2010 @ 9:08 am

"Undocumented people are NOT taking any jobs that Americans are actually willing to do. I doubt that you could get an unemployed middle management type to pick lettuce for a season, no matter HOW much you paid them. I am sick unto death of hearing that line "They're stealing our jobs" from people. It's bullshit."

I would suggest you look at the history of the meatpacking industry, once a job that paid well and was unionized across the nation. I feel your pain though, I'm sick of effete San Francisco lefties making their own reality.

Posted by matlock on Oct. 03, 2010 @ 10:14 am

A factually-challenged, bolt-throwing piss pot that doesn't know his ass from his elbow--"San Francisco lefty"?

Ms. Agachiko is neither San Franciscan nor Californian. She resides in Somerville, MA. The very idea of a "San Francisco lefty" is standard issue, stereotyping nonsense and frankly, douchebag, you seem to have nothing good to say about San Fran, it ain't changing, why don't you live somewhere where the horrible progressives and liberals won't make your life miserable. And "San Francisco lefties" and our ilk fought for the UFW--not the right. We fought for the meat-packers back in the 20's and 30's and before as well--"lefties", not people like you.

Move to Tulsa, Wichita, Jackson, Birmingham--they hate "San Francisco lefties" there too. Tim, can we throw a going away party on Bruce for this poor sap?

Posted by Guest Johnny Wendell on Oct. 03, 2010 @ 10:42 am

Interestingly enough the San Francisco lefties stereotype themselves. What with the ravings about "San Francisco values."

You're complaining that people who share a uni-mind willingly are lumped together????

I have a lot of good things to say about SF, why do anti-liberal progressives have to fuck it up?

Why do progressives encourage union busting now then? A puzzling post to say the least, brag about being pro-union 80 years ago to rationalize abetting union busting now?

Posted by matlock on Oct. 03, 2010 @ 1:55 pm

Yesterday's show: Corrupt congressmen, thieving Persian bankers, pimp/pornographers and Tim Redmond--Tim being the worst of all, of course: http://media.ccomrcdn.com/media/station_content/695/Deck8-2010-10-03_20-...

Posted by Guest Johnny Wendell on Oct. 04, 2010 @ 12:51 pm