Only a miracle can save Steve Li now

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Supporters of Shing Ma "Steve" Li, a 20-year-old nursing student, gathered outside the offices of Sen. Barbara Boxer today to urge her to sponsor a private bill in a last ditch effort to halt Li’s deportation to Peru, which is scheduled to take place Monday, November 15—two months after ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) agents arrested Li in San Francisco.

"While we do not introduce private bills, our staff is happy to meet with Mr. Li's family and his attorneys to discuss his case,” Boxer spokesperson Zachary Coile emailed the Guardian, as protesters delivered stack of letters to Boxer’s office, asking that she intervene in Li’s case.

Unlike Sen. Dianne Feinstein who has sponsored private bills in the past, Boxer has no record of intervening in this way. But advocates were hopeful that now that she has survived the November 2010 election, Boxer will pull off a miracle before Monday.

This afternoon, Li’s attorney Sin Yen Ling texted the Guardian that her request for deferred action had been denied, meaning that Li will be on a plane to Peru on Monday, baring some last minute miracle.

“Our office has been in touch with ICE and is exploring the options,” Gil Duran, media spokesperson for Sen. Dianne Feinstein told the Guardian, half an hour after Li’s request for deferred action was denied.

And Boxer spokesperson Zachary Coile said the senator’s staff met with Li's mother, his attorney, his City College professor and others, this afternoon.

"While we do not introduce private bills, our staff was happy to meet with Steve Li's family and his attorney to discuss his case,” Coile stated. "We reiterated Senator Boxer's strong support for the DREAM Act, which would provide a path to citizenship for tens of thousands of undocumented students who go to college or serve in the military. Senator Boxer will keep working in the Senate until it becomes law."

And tonight, Drew Hammill, press secretary to Speaker Nancy Pelosi emailed the following statement to the Guardian:

"Speaker Pelosi believes that Steve Li’s case is a textbook example of the pressing need for comprehensive immigration reform and passage of the DREAM Act. Speaker Pelosi is working with other Members to recommend that ICE grant deferred action in this case."

Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi, who have both been strong supporters of the DREAM Act, have vowed to keep working until it is passed.

Earlier this fall, on Sept. 14—the day before ICE arrested Li-- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid announced plans to add the DREAM Act as an amendment to the Department of Defense authorization bill.

But that effort was blocked by Senate Republicans. And after the bloodbath that congressional Democrats endured this November, it’s unclear if the DREAM Act has a prayer, though Nancy Pelosi vowed to move it forward during Congress’ upcoming lame-duck session, and it has continued to attract bi-partisan support since it was first introduced in 2001 by Senators Richard Durbin (D-Il) and Richard Lugar (R-IN).

At today’s protest, Li’s legal counsel, Sin Yen Ling, decried the federal government’s decision to deport her client.

“A 20-year-old City College student is not a threat to our national security,” Ling said. “We need to bring Steve Li home as soon as possible.”

According to Ling, Li has not seen his mother Maria, who divorced Li’s dad for years and lives with Li in San Francisco, since his Sept. 15 arrest, when  ICE picked up Li and his mother in Ingleside on Sept. 15 and placed them in separate cars. The car carrying Li then picked up Li's  father in the Richmond, and all three family members were processed at ICE’s Sansome Street office in downtown San Francisco, before being transferred to Sacramento County Jail. But Li was then involuntarily transferred to an ICE detention facility in Arizona. Meanwhile, Li’s parents were released from detention when ICE determined that China does not want them back because they left China seeking political asylum. But they are now required to wear cumbersome electronic monitoring anklets, because they are deemed a flight risk, and are not allowed to leave San Francisco.

As a result, Li’s parents have been unable to visit their son in Arizona. And should he be deported to Peru, it’s not clear if they will be permitted to follow. And should if they decide to travel to Peru, they will not be allowed to reenter the U.S. for at least ten years, further complicating a complex situation.

At today’s rally, Li’s mother Maria spoke in public for the first time,  breaking down into tears, as she begged Sen. Boxer and the U.S. government to help.

“He has no money, no clean clothes, how will he get by?” she asked, referring to ICE’s plan to put her son on a plane to Lima, Peru, where he reportedly knows no one.  “Sen. Boxer, will you just watch and pretend you didn’t see anything? Today, when you see all of us standing here begging you, will you respond to us? I hope you can understand it from a mother’s perspective and meet with me to discuss how we can help Steve.”

Ling said Li’s mother decided to speak because of the direness of her son’s situation, even though she was wearing a federally-mandated monitoring anklet.
“She felt it was now or never,” Ling said.

Li’s teacher Sang Chi also spoke, praising Li as a model student and a prime example of the kind of person that should be eligible for the DREAM Act. And then the Rev. Norman Fang led Li’s supporters in a prayer.

‘We ask that a miracle take place and that Steve’s mom and San Francisco can be happy again, that the heart and soul of what is morally right can overcome regulations,” Fang said, noting that 100 years, his family members were detained at Angel Island “for no other reason than they were Chinese. ‘There is only one border in our world—the one that separates Heaven and Earth.”

Li’s attorney Sin Yen Ling clarified that she doesn’t believe that ICE singled Li out.
“He’s just been swept up as part of a larger program,” Ling said, noting that actions that split families apart and target folks who came to this country as undocumented children have inspired a movement of DREAMers—folks who support the DREAM Act.

Every year, about 65,000 U.S. raised students, who would qualify for the DREAM Act’s proposed benefits, graduate from high school, according to the National Immigration Law Center (NILC).

“These include honor roll students, star athletes, talented artists, homecoming queens, and aspiring teachers, doctors and U.S. soldiers,” states a NILC press release. “They are young people who have lived in the U.S. for most of their lives and desire only to call this country their home. Even though they were brought to the U.S. years ago as children, they face unique barriers to higher education, are unable to work legally in the U.S. and often live in constant fear of detection by immigration authorities.”

Asked how ICE caught up with Li, who does not have a criminal record, Ling pointed to modern technology
“In this day and age, you can track anyone down,” Ling said.” And it’s a priority for ICE to identify people with final deportation orders,” she continued. Ling was referring to the fact that Li’s parents were denied their request for political asylum from China and issued a removal order, unbeknownst to their son Steve, who was born in Peru, came to the U.S. when he was 12 and was 14, when his parents’ asylum request was denied.

But Ling did not blame President Barack Obama, who promised to bring millions of undocumented residents out of the shadows, when he was running for president in 2008.
“It’s tough to criticize the president when he had five different priorities coming into office, including healthcare. His administration probably miscalculated how long it would take to pass healthcare. And part of the problem is partisan politics around immigration.”

Ling estimates that there are two million young people currently in the U.S. who would benefit from the passage of the DREAM Act, but blamed partisan politics for why the legislation failed to pass by only 3 votes in the Senate in September.

Sup. David Campos showed up at the rally and told Li's supporters that the Board of Supervisors unanimously approved a resolution Nov. 9 calling for ICE to defer Li's deportation.

"The Board is not always on the same page, but on this issue we were unanimous," Campos said. "We get it, we understand the tragedy that this deportation would result in. And we remain hopeful that something will happen. There are millions of young people in the same predicament, and the solution is not deportation. The solution is passing comprehensive immigration reform. Until then, we need an intervention."

Meanwhile, somewhere in Arizona, Steve Li sits in a jail cell, hoping, praying and dreaming...

Comments

First Sit-Lie passed, now Steve-Li is passing, what is happening?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 12, 2010 @ 10:50 pm

I hope the Dream Act passes so that no more innocent people who were brought here through no fault of their own get punished.

Posted by AzEd on Nov. 12, 2010 @ 10:54 pm

What about American citizens, do we count? Not with Pelosi and Obama. Sorry folks, Dream in someone else's country. The intent to break the law is clear to these people, but not to liberals.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 6:48 am

I hope American citizens will not be abused by the invasion for much longer. I Dream that Pelosi, Reid, and Obama for starters get physically catapulted into Juarez.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 6:52 am

Boxer should pay the tuition for newly eligible students out of her own pocket if she wants the Dream Act.

University of California tuition is proposed to go up 8%. A full 30% of UC tuition goes to financial aid provided to other students. Full support is guaranteed to families with incomes below $80,000. That means some students pay for others, often in loans that take many years to pay off.

Think long and hard if you think the Dream Act is a good idea. You may be giving your chance at an education to someone who is not legitimately present in this country. Good luck finding a good job with millions more added to the eligible worker pool. Will these people help you if you end up bankrupt because you sympathezed with them?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 6:21 am

What is the point in commenting here if the comments are censored and slanted?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 6:55 am

Do you really thing saying no to these people is the right thing. Knowing that they were brought here and raise here as Americans to later find out that they can’t live there dream.

also, "opening up more jobs". does this mean YOU'D be willing to do the dirty work that the immigrants have to do in order to get by?
after all, they ARE the ones who keep this country running, since ignorant, delusional individuals such as yourself like to talk ALL this prejudice AND racist(yes, racist) BS, and open your mouth to think EVERYTHING you say is DIVINE, i would like to know, from YOU, what WOULD happen to our country if ALL the immigrants get sent back? you REALLY choose to believe the country will bloom into some sort of ultra- superior wealth land and drop all the debt in one day? and interesting "factoid" you raised: "remove traffic from our streets"- i REALLY REALLY thought that illegals weren't allowed to drive and obtain a driver's license, nonetheless BUY a CAR! so how would deporting illegal immigrants going to benefit "the drop of traffic"? i usually see "Mexicans" either walk, ride a bicycle, or carpool- all three choices are much better for the environment than most Americans hopping in their car to drive half a block.

so please, elaborate, i would LOVE to hear your bigoted opinion!

Posted by Guest tanya on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 9:40 am

I want you to google every thing I say here it is all facts as far as mexicans walking how about this fact 15 americans are killed every day by mexican ileagle invaders drunk driving they have no insurance and when they kill a bread winner the family becomes homeless google it --ileagle invaders kill 25 americans rape 550 women molest 7 children every single day ileagle invaders also killed 3000americans on 911---the dream act is a nightmare for america it will alow the dreamers to petion to bring all family members including the very parents who brought the problems to the dreamers in the first place the american people did not bring you here we are not to blame but we had to pay foe your schooling for your health care it cost the american people 114billion dollars a year to feed house keep in prison chase all over the border and not to even mention all the drugs you bring across the border everyone seen the big back packs you carry over the border and whay about all the ms13 gang members killing our people how about this for and example say you and your whole family were in your yard kids and all a fenced in yard and off in the distence you see 100 people heading for your yard tthen they start climing over the fence then you find out 10 are murderus 10 are rapests 10 are gang members 10 are id thiefs and now they are applying there crafts to your family and you have to feed them send there kids to school pay for there health care and then a few come up to you and say I have a dream and you are going to fund it now you know very well that you would wish they never came to your yard any of them you would love your peacefull life back this is also how the american people feel and they said it in novembers election now go home and demenstrait in your own country leave our senaters alone they have work to do for the american people and to clean up the mess you left behind america got along great long before you criminals came here and we will be a much better off place when you are rounded up and forced out

Posted by Guestgittarman on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 7:26 pm

Any new law akin to Arizona's new policing policies, will be a waste of time if Sen. Harry Reid passes the Dream Act--or incremental AMNESTY?

Before Senator Harry Reid goes ahead in the imminent Lame Duck session in introducing the obnoxious Dream Act (DE FACTO AMNESTY), Agjobs or any immigration reform law rewarding people who stole into America. We should remember if the Dream Act passes, this will allow the new legitimized students to bring many more family members into the country under "Chain migration" law. THAT MEANS MILLIONS MORE IMMIGRANTS WILL BE COMING HERE, THAT TAXPAYERS WILL HAVE TO SUPPORT? Asked senile Reid and his Liberal Progressives the cost of yet another Amnesty? Ask Robert Rector of the think-tank Heritage Foundation, as his analysis of amnesty recipients have very low education levels (75 to 85 percent have only a high school diploma or less), they are likely to receive more in government benefits than they pay in taxes through most of their lives. When they reach retirement age, amnesty recipients will impose a large net cost on taxpayers, receiving each year at least $17,000 more per person in benefits than they pay in taxes.

The illegal immigrants granted amnesty under this law are likely to impose a net cost of at least $2.6 trillion on U.S. taxpayers during their retirement years. Doesn't Reid have no sympathy, no respect for US taxpayers who pay the bills for anybody who slips into our sovereign country. Why should we pay for other nations poor, when we have an estimated 15 million Americans seeking work? Policymakers should carefully consider the potential long-term fiscal costs before enacting the amnesty provisions of this bill. One of the largest costs to taxpayers annually is the instant citizenship of babies of illegal parents (Anchor Babies) This number of infants ranges in hundreds of thousands annually that have long term expenditures, in education, health care and other taxpayer public services. Until the real fencing is built (double layer with electrified paired fencing), and stop internal enforcement is not compromised by both parties. Sen. Reid, Pelosi, Barbara Boxer,Napolitano nearly killed E-Verify and such is it is, is only voluntary for businesses owners.

The Tea Party and moderate Conservative, Republicans and Democrats have a must enforce 1986 immigration law and no more funding to Sanctuary Cities as with New York and California. Bombard your Senator and Congressman in Washington, by calling (202)224-3121 In addition; don't let your State representatives off the hook either? Learn more of the truth, not LIES at NumbersUSA. Learn about corruption in Washington and State Capitols at Judicial Watch.

Posted by Francis on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 9:52 am

so sorry to hear about shing ma "steve" li and to read all the hate here. i wish him the best.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 1:25 pm

U.S. Unauthorized Immigration Flows Are Down Sharply Since Mid-Decade
http://pewhispanic.org/reports/report.php?ReportID=126

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 2:47 pm

I wish Shing ma " Steve" the best. May god be with you.

And to all you ignorant racist people. It's NOT an amnesty. They have to earn their citizenship by completing 2 yrs of college or join the army within a 6 year course. Amnesty is a free ride. Dream act isn't. And its not just illegal aliens that commit crime here in America. there's other races too. Only thing I do agree with is getting rid of criminals. They are a menace to society. But students that want the opportunity to go to school and make something of themselves to better the country are an important factor for the future of the United states.Our ancestors were immigrants too. Not giving them a chance would be a sin.

Posted by "ignorance is not running America" on Nov. 13, 2010 @ 11:38 pm

Oh, boo hoo hoo. So his parents had to leave because of the 1 child policy. Big friggin' deal! Deport him and his parents now!!

Posted by Guest on Nov. 14, 2010 @ 12:25 am

It saddens me to hear all of the hate being directed toward immigrants and immigrant families in this country. Immigration is one strength of this country and it's what makes the U.S. unique among the countries of this world. It will allow us to remain competitive in the global market. Like it or not, this is a fact. Deporting people, especially those who are or will become contributing members of our society, does nothing to improve the economy or culture of this country. Steve Li was studying to become a nurse and, given the severe nursing shortage in this country (yes, we are actually bringing immigrants to this country to relieve this shortage), it seems foolish to be wasting tax payer money on deporting people like Steve. I wish him all the best.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 14, 2010 @ 1:55 am

It saddens me to hear all of the hate being directed toward immigrants and immigrant families in this country. Immigration is one strength of this country and it's what makes the U.S. unique among the countries of this world. It will allow us to remain competitive in the global market. Like it or not, this is a fact. Deporting people, especially those who are or will become contributing members of our society, does nothing to improve the economy or culture of this country. Steve Li was studying to become a nurse and, given the severe nursing shortage in this country (yes, we are actually bringing immigrants to this country to relieve this shortage), it seems foolish to be wasting tax payer money on deporting people like Steve. I wish him all the best.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 14, 2010 @ 1:57 am

Today (Monday Nov. 15) the Chronicle is reporting that Sen. Dianne Feinstein is seeking to block Li's deportation, "while she considers introducing a bill that would allow him to stay in the United States temporarily."

 

Posted by sarah on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 10:27 am

10.27 am, the BG "reporters" wake up! Looks like you are very interested in this story.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 11:22 am

The New York Times has an interesting editorial today that argues that GOP's hard-line approach to immigration "mocks American values."

"It's irresponsibly expensive. It's ineffective," NYT argues.

You can read the article in full at http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/15/opinion/15mon1.html?ref=opinion?hp

 

Posted by sarah on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 10:45 am

To those opposed to sit-lie and taking part in the permanent boycott of any business that supported sit-lie which includes The Chronicle and the merchants associations in The City (such as the Merchants of Upper Market & Castro), here's the latest on Shing Ma "Steve" Li at another website. Stop giving the right-wing Chronicle business. Try to get info at other websites using Google. Your hits to the Chronicle's website gives them business. Boycott them. Why does the Guardian give the Chronicle free publicity on a regular basis and talk about them so much when the Chronicle can't stand the Guardian and the Guardian has their own reporters? The Guardian doesn't need the Chronicle. The Guardian doesn't need to regurgitate what the right-wing Chronicle writes or says. Who cares?! For those who do, they would go to the Chronicle's website. Hmmmmm. That makes almost too much sense!

Steve Li’s Deportation Gets Delayed from colorlines.com
There’s good news in the case of Steve Li, the 20-year-old San Francisco college student who was facing imminent deportation. Federal immigration officials have decided to delay Li’s deportation. It’s unclear why the decision was made, or how long the delay will last, but it’s certainly a temporary last minute victory for Li’s family and friends who had been urging Senator Barbara Boxer for support.

Sen Yen Ling, an attorney with the Asian Law Caucus, a civil rights organization that’s representing Li, told the Sacramento Bee that she received the news on Sunday. Meanwhile, Li remains detained at a federal detention center in Arizona.

Julianne Hing reported on Friday that Li was scheduled to be deported to Peru on Monday. He’s been held in detention since September 15, when immigration authorities raided his home and took him into custody. Li’s family left China to escape the country’s one-child only policy and headed to Peru, where he was born. Political upheaval pushed them on the move again in 2000 and they settled in San Francisco, where Li spent his formative years. While his family faces removal orders back to their native China, the younger Li faces deportation to Peru, a country in which he has no contacts.

Li’s case has become a rallying cry for supporters of the Dream Act, a federal bill that would allow undocumented youth with clean criminal records and two year commitments to either the military or college a path toward citizenship. While activists have been working to pass the bill for nearly a decade, the most recent efforts have been thwarted by increasingly hostile anti-immigrant rhetoric. Senators Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi have promised to re-introduce the bill during Congress’s lame duck session, but support for those efforts seem slim. On Monday, Florida Rep. Lincoln Diaz-Balart called on speaker Nancy Pelosi to schedule a vote on the Dream Act.

However, it does look like Li’s appeals to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Diane Feinstein worked.

“As an original co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, I believe it would be unjust to deport Mr. Li before we get a chance to vote on this bill, which would allow students like him to attain U.S. citizenship,” the Sacramento Bee said Feinstein wrote in a statement e-mailed to The Associated Press.

I have copied the entire article here because the spam filter would not let me put the link in. You've still not fixed the spam filter rejecting credible links?

Posted by Guest Bárbara Chelsai on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 2:11 pm

Barbie/Sam says they're basically the same as Republicans.

Would a Republican step up and stop this injustice like Boxer and Feinstein just did?

Take everything Babs/Sam says with a grain of salt. With advocates like him poor Li doesn't need enemies.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 3:22 pm

listen bitch, feinstein especially is a democrat IN NAME ONLY. she's an iraq and afghanistan war profiteer and helped bush. boxer ain't much better. she voted for the patriot act. learn something bitch rather than drinking your dem koolaid. learn the differences between the 2 and you will see they are the same just like all these people are the same,,,,arthur evans, matlock, lucretia snapples, lucreatia TROLLop, and lucreatia mott. how many more names do you need to spread your ignorance and hate?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 3:34 pm

That's what I'm spreading for congratulating Feinstein and Boxer for halting this injustice?

I'm glad we have the senators we do. You certainly couldn't count on Failorina to do the same.

Elections have consequences. And thankfully we have two senators who intervened to halt this travesty.

And please stop with the filthy and misogynistic language. You may feel this way about wimmin but you don't have to advertise it. Your ignorance is showing Sam/Barbara.

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

hey bitch, showing your ignorance again. you enjoy doing that. go to bitch magazine.org. from their about us page and learn something.

Bitch Media’s mission is to provide and encourage an empowered, feminist response to mainstream media and popular culture.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:32 pm

"And please stop with the filthy and misogynistic language. You may feel this way about wimmin but you don't have to advertise it. Your ignorance is showing Sam/Barbara."

Babs has been spewing hate-speech at women for a long time. It's actually one of the ways I use to identify her posts through the veil of her many aliases. That, and the used toilet paper fetish.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 7:27 am

Are you going to change it in an attempt to disguise your worn out stupidity and anger?
You are obviously the same loser.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 10:13 am

While I supported it. That's why Matlock has stated numerous times he's an independent while I am a Democrat. That's why I am a big fan of the mayor while Matlock is not.

Next shit-fer-brains?

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

Don't let that stop you from leaking sour milk all over the place!
Seems to be the only source of satisfaction and accomplishment available to you.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 12:50 pm

"And please stop with the filthy and misogynistic language. "
Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:05 pm

"shit-fer-brains"
Posted by Lucretia Snapples on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 12:31 pm

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 1:33 pm

Lucreatia's, Arthur's and Matlocks' hypocrisies know no bounds.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 2:04 pm

you're a big fan of the mayor because you're a democrat?????? if he wore the republican label you wouldn't be a big fan of him????? so the party-line and what he calls himself is more important to you than his politics or anything else? who's the shit-fer-brains????????????

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 1:53 pm

Why is enlightenment is so fraught with bitterness towards the stupidity of the peasants?

Saul Alinsky look at the demons you helped create.

Posted by matlock on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:22 pm

Shouldn't you be rubbing progressive putsches with your split personalities matlock and arthur evans?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:03 pm

>>>However, it does look like Li’s appeals to California Senators Barbara Boxer and Dianne Feinstein worked.<<<......So they finally earned their salaries for the first time in years and did something positive for a person? These people have been in senior positions of power for years, why is this a temporary delay? These Democrats are such wusses, unlike the Republicans. These Dems bend as much as they can to please their employer the right-wing Republicans. Again, why is this temporary? I expect some people to bring out the champagne prematurely and start celebrating because it's the Dems and Dems are well known for celebrating prematurely. I hope this is not the same Dems who were going to end the war occupations, close black sites, stop rendition, stop torture, stop illegal spying, close the concentration camp in Cuba, stop mountain top removal and were supposedly going to end the Bush tax cuts. Right. No need to bring out champagne and celebrate. If the record holds, you'll need the kleenex instead.

Posted by Guest Bárbara Chelsai on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 3:46 pm

Simple point here folks:

He's illegal.

His parents are illegal.

He pays because his parents were stupid.

End of story.

His ass should go to Peru tonight; not our fault he's got no family or friends there...no illegals permitted....at all.

Posted by Ken Howard on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:26 pm

Matlock?
Really?
What the fuck are you? An Andy Griffith fan?
Aunt Bee’s Anus or Barney Fife’s Ball Sack would be more like it.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 4:28 pm

"You wouldn’t call someone a w*tback, or the n-word. Saying “illegals” is just as bad. The I-Word creates an environment of hate by exploiting racial fear and economic anxiety, creating an easy scapegoat for complex issues, and OK-ing violence against those labeled with the word." (From the colorlines website).

please stop calling people "illegals" and "illegal."

Posted by Guest on Nov. 15, 2010 @ 11:25 pm

I would call someone a w*tback if I thought the term fit. I have called people the "N" word when I thought it fit. So I call illegals illegal. That's how I see it. That's how they are. They are illegal aliens. They are here illegally. They have, IMHO, NO rights whatsoever other than the right to go back where they freaking came from. Again...blame the kid's parents, they have screwed his life royally. They should send THEM back to freaking China where they came from, as well, as THEY are here illegally as well.

And gods help us, the CA Supreme Court has voted to allow illegals to get the same in-state tuition breaks as citizens......just goes to show you that CA is going to hell quicker and quicker.

And to stave off the expected "RACIST" shouting....I am hardly racist. Some of dark persuasion act like "N"....some of hispanic act like w*tbacks....if you act like that, you get the label. So much for that.

My opinion - all the illegals should be rounded up and returned to where they came from. No exceptions. No appeals. Immediately.

Posted by Ken Howard on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 7:14 am

Racism is a cancer in our society whether it's covert (i.e. I'm not racist) or overt. The covert racists are the first to say, "I'm not racist" and then they proceed to spew their (covert) racism. Or their predictable, "some of my best friends are black (or Asian, or Latino, or gay,,,)." I can't begin to count the number of times I've personally heard or read that. Anyone who does hard labor or hard work especially in warm weather can be described as a "wetback" because hard labor and hard work can make anyone's back wet, regardless of one's ethnicity, even a "white guy" can be described with the pejorative "wetback" term when his back gets wet and soaks his shirt. Shing Ma "Steve" Li looks like he will remain in the detention center in AZ for an indefinite period of time. Even if the DREAM ACT were to happen (I'll believe that when I see it and I would say that even if the Dems had every seat in congress), his stay here is temporary even with what little Feinstein has done or plans to do. Li can still be deported at any time from what I've read since. Why isn't he allowed to be at home or with his parents? He's not a risk to anyone or to this country. He's been sitting in detention for the past two months. He's a bright college student. (scream!!)

Posted by Bárbara Chelsai on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 8:25 pm

I actually agree with Barbara. There's nothing more ridiculous than someone uttering the kind of racial slurs that Ken Howard did in his post and then claiming to not be a racist. I wonder if whoever moderates this site might be convinced to remove that post. It really is over the line.

Posted by Calvary Kendrick on Nov. 16, 2010 @ 9:49 pm

Nice Try. Just because you don't like my opinions does NOT mean the comments were over the line. I was very careful NOT to use any racist slurs.

I could care less if you think I'm a racist or not. I do not judge by race....I judge by individual. If you ACT like a w*tback or a "N", then you should be treated accordingly. There are plenty of Hispanics and African-Americans (or whatever the PC term is today) who are upstanding people and should not be called those terms. However, and unfortunately, there are a great number of those who are the opposite, and DESERVE those terms. They don't wanna be called them, stop ACTING LIKE ONE.

People should be judged on their actions. I do so. You don't like that, I could care less.

Back to the SUBJECT of the article....Li goes back to Peru. It's the law...remember the law? If you don't like the law, vote people in who will change it. Otherwise, stop complaining....the laws are the laws and that's how it goes. He is here illegally...he is an ILLEGAL ALIEN. His parents are here illegally (and they KNEW it)..THEY are ILLEGAL ALIENS. According to the law they get deported. No recourse, as the application for aslyum was (correctly) denied. Shame for the kid that his parents are so stupid.

As for the DREAM Act....doubtful it will pass, given the groundswell of anti-illegals opinion today...which I support. There are ways to get citizenship. Use them. Otherwise take your chances and get deported when you are caught and don't bitch about it when you ARE caught.

Posted by Ken Howard on Nov. 17, 2010 @ 7:21 am

The DREAM Act would provide another way to get citizenship--go to college or serve in the military. As such, it's hardly a free ride. Last time I checked, the war in Afghanistan was a mess, and U.S. citizens weren't reinstating the draft.) So, the DREAM Act would seem to encourage young people, who are undocumented through no fault of their own, to pursue socially-approved of dreams of completing college, serving one's community, serving in the military. My question to all the DREAM Act detractors: would you rather your own kids went overseas to fight the U.S.'s wars?

Posted by sarah on Nov. 17, 2010 @ 11:13 am