SFBG Radio: People power, from Libya to Wisconsin

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In today's episode, we talk about that remarkable moment when people realize that they aren't alone -- and that tends of thousands or maybe millions of their neighbors are willing to go out in the streets and do something about it. Listen after the jump.

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forge an analogy between a downtrodden people craving for democracy and freedom in a faraway land . .

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a bunch of PS workers with a bloated and unsustainable sense of entitlement?

Posted by Wally on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 1:49 pm

"Bloated and unsustainable sense of entitlement"?

You mean "negotiated for and agreed upon contractual obligations", don't you, Wally?

See, here in the real world, when you make a deal with someone and then try to change the rules post fact, it's called "bad faith" or "reneging" or "Welshing" (for you un PC types).

Funny how the actual creatures of entitlement, the Wall Streeters that bankrupted the country have escaped Little Wally's ire, but a bunch of firemen and clerks, not so much.

Pathetic.

Posted by guest on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 2:14 pm

sticking up for the Welsh. I don't believe I have ever seen you express solidarity for that small Celtic nation on the western fringes of that well-known anti-democratic country, er, England.

But I don't believe that Walker et al are seeking to renege on contracts so much as ensure that the taxpayer never again has to bankroll and underwrite such ludicrously generous, unaffordable and unsustainable contracts.

Oh and, in case you missed this, Walker stood for office on exactly this issue. So are you suggesting that, as Libyans give their lives for democracy, that we should ignore the will of the voters here?

Posted by Wally on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 2:31 pm

Please cite a speech or position paper where Scott Walker, prior to election, said that he would eliminate collective bargaining for Wisconsin's public employee unions.

After all, you stated (quite emphatically):

"Oh and, in case you missed this, Walker stood for office on exactly this issue".

When one uses the term "exactly", that does more than infer "the same", it states with no wiggle room at all that he said it.

Find the cite, thanks.

Posted by Matty on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 3:12 pm

The public service unions did not bankrupt the United States

Wall Street did.

I find it fascinating that you aim your anger at middle class people who exchange the possibility of high wages in the private sector when times are decent for a lower paycheck and steady benefits when times are not.

Even if the voters of Wisconsin voted in Walker after he explicitly stated that he would do this (cite?), in a free society, it is not yet illegal for 1) the minority to state its distaste via free assembly and 2) the majority to realize it had made a terrible mistake (see Nixon, Richard). Also, the GW Bush/Nixonian notion that "they voted for me, that means they approve of everything I do", well....

Don't your knees ever get sore from the non-stop fellation of the wealthy? Because I am sure you ain't in their club, bub.

Posted by guest on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 2:45 pm

Who knows how Wisconsin got into such bad shape - but we know how we did.

I didn't know it was "Wall Street" that pimped SB 400 on an unknowing public - to think I thought it was Gray Davis, pockets stuffed with union money, seeking to keep his office...

Common sense tells us our elected leaders cut overly generous deals for pension and health benefits with no money to pay for it. Elected officials had a clear conflict of interest as we all know. The system is not working - such are the conclusions of logic.

"Anger" and "attack" are the words of the idealogues - balancing budgets is the call of the sane.

"...I find it fascinating that you aim your anger at middle class people who exchange the possibility of high wages in the private sector when times are decent for a lower paycheck and steady benefits when times are not."

Don't buy your conflation of "middle class people" with the public employees here. Middle class people work 'til they are 67 at least, don't have guaranteed pensions and don't have cadillac health plans. I wasn't aware that public employee "gave up high wages," you mean like in San Francisco?

Posted by Guest on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 3:49 pm

Their current governor, eager to create a budget crunch, doled out 140M in tax breaks to businesses, primarily in Illinois, to relocate to Wisconsin (and as it turns out, lots of them have no intention of leaving).

Prior to the breaks, WI was running a budget surplus, partially on the backs of the public workers who have accepted furlough days for the last two years.

That's how.

The middle class in America wouldn't exist at all were it not for organized labor and will disappear when the public sector unions disappear. At that juncture, your wages and salaries will also fall, pegged to nothing and you with no protection. Y'see?

Posted by guest on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 4:14 pm
Posted by Guest on Feb. 22, 2011 @ 5:20 pm