Guardian forum: Tenants, housing and land use

07.12.11 - 5:02 pm | Tim Redmond |

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Should be a great forum July 14. We've got a panel on tenants, housing and land-use issues, some of the key stuff for the future of the city. Great group of speakers -- and, as always, we'll be looking for ideas and input from the audience. This isn't a mayoral debate (that comes later); it's a chance for progressives to talk about the issues that the next mayor needs to address and come up with a platform.

Speakers:

FEATURING:
Sara Shortt, Housing Rights Committee
Ted Gullickson, SF Tenants Union
Nick Pagoulatos, Dolores St Community Services
Sue Hestor, Land Use Attorney

We may have some more suprise guests, too.

Lots of time for discussion afterward.

It's at 6 pm (until 8 pm) at the City College Mission Campus, 1125 Valencia. More details here. See you there.

Comments

Incredibly balanced panel

Every single person associated in some way with Non Profit Inc. In other words - a crazed leftist echo chamber.

Sounds like LOADS of fun.

Posted by Lucretia "Secretia" Snapples on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 8:41 pm

I'll save everyone the

I'll save everyone the trouble. Build nothing anywhere ever unless its by certain non profit developers. housing for ownership is evil, tall buildings are evil. People who move here to own housing are not real san franciscans. the end.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 8:54 pm

It's the same old song but they never tire of singing it

It's been the same song for decades now. The progressive movement in San Francisco is notable for one thing - its granite-bound, unflinching resistance to any and all change under any circumstances.

Posted by Lucretia "Secretia" Snapples on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 9:18 pm

you guys should come!

it would be great to have your views included.

Posted by marke on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 9:29 pm

We'd be lynched

Progressives don't appreciate dissent - dissenters are traitors to the cause who must be permanently done away with. Progressives don't appreciate anyone disrupting their cozy little rhetorical circle jerks.

Posted by Lucretia "Secretia" Snapples on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 10:27 am

Private details?

I value what's left of my online privacy, so I'm not a Facebook person. The link for more details on the forum goes to a FB page that only FB users can see. How about making the info available for all to see w/o having to register at FB and give up some privacy?

Posted by MPetrelis on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 9:06 pm

here's what it says, Michael

we try not to link often to Facebook for that very reason, Michael, but sometimes we bow to expediency in this ever-changing world. If there were truly information of necessity, we would not filter any non-FBers out. Here's what it says in the listing.

FORUM 3 of a series of panel discussions and participatory debates framing the progressive issues for the mayor's race and beyond.

FEATURING:
Sara Shortt, Housing Rights Committee
Ted Gullickson, SF Tenants Union
Nick Pagoulatos, Dolores St Community Services
Sue Hestor, Land Use Attorney

CO-SPONSORS:
Harvey Milk LGBT Demo. Club, SF Tenants Union, SEIU Local 1021, SF Rising, SF Human Services Network, Council of Comm. housing Organizations, Community Congress 2010, Center for Political Education, Jobs with Justice

Posted by marke on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 9:19 pm

I second what Michael said

It deserves a second, to underscore the point that a lot of us out there refuse to use facebook, and when organizers use that medium they're missing a lot of people like myself.

Posted by Greg on Jul. 12, 2011 @ 11:21 pm

Tim, did you invite anyone who issn't on

the left? Any realtors, bankers, or landlords? If so, did they all refuse? If not, why not? Do they have no insight at all?

IOW, are you looking for a balanced discussion or a one-sided lovefest?

Posted by Walter on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 5:46 am

Don't we know exactly what

Don't we know exactly what realtors, bankers and landlords would say?

Scratch that. I've had email with a realtor who runs this site:

http://www.rereport.com/sf/ron/

who admits that entitling new condos will deflate prices of existing homes, keeping buyers on the sidelines which drives up rents.

While each of the panelists has had some successes over the past 15 years, the sum total of progressive housing policy has failed to keep up with the advances made by developers.

The biggest mistake made over the past decade was hitching the affordable housing wagon to the market rate housing train and the cooption of nonprofits by City government.

Combined, these two phenomenon have neutralized effective progressive challenge to unrestrained entitlement of market rate condos at a great cost to our established neighborhoods.

Progressives must reverse that linkage, forcing affordable housing and transit investment to lead market rate housing entitlements.

-marc

Posted by marcos on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 7:08 am

So Marc, can I email you with some really helpful advice...

Seriously.

What's your email?

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 10:24 am

on what planet to buyers wait

on what planet to buyers wait out purchasing a home when its value is deflated?
What, they want to wait till the price is super high before purchasing?

Marc, you sure love to talk, but you dont always make much sense.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 4:14 pm

Given the lack of sustained

Given the lack of sustained demand for much of anything, who is going to go into debt for a note on a condo valued at $X today that will most likely be worth $X-Y tomorrow where Y is a nonnegative number?

Don't you know what a liquidity trap and a deflationary spiral are?

People don't buy commodities when the price is falling, rather when they think the price has bottomed out and is ripe for increase. Does anyone think that the price of housing is anywhere near bottoming out?

Posted by marcos on Jul. 19, 2011 @ 10:07 am

Definition of one-sided

Hi Walter: I'm a property owner and a small business owner. I consider myself someone who looks clearly at social issues and attempts to come up with the best solutions that provide the greatest good for the greatest number. I don't lie. I don't cheat. I don't manipulate. And I don't steal. But I sure can be tough and I'm not afraid to fight for what I believe in. People put labels on themselves and others as a way to diminish each other.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 9:13 am

May come by for the first 30

May come by for the first 30 min, I'm reading a section of Howl! tomorrow at the Cartoon Art Museum soon after.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 6:25 am

We'll alert the media

Expect Marcos for the first 30 minutes!!!

Posted by Lucretia "Secretia" Snapples on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 11:53 am

Screetch, I'm tempted to show up for 31 minutes

myself just to see how dweeby this guy Marcos really is.

Posted by Walter on Jul. 13, 2011 @ 12:14 pm

Looking at the people on the

Looking at the people on the list, i thing that nothing will get done.