Police say they've recovered gun used by Harding


The San Francisco Police Department issued a statement this afternoon announcing that the gun that fired the fatal shot at Kenneth Wade Harding Jr. has been found.

"After a weeklong community effort, a neighborhood resident led officers from Bayview Police Station to the gun used by Kenneth Harding," the SFPD statement says. "The gun, an AMT .380 caliber semi-automatic pistol, was matched through ballistic tests conducted by the San Francisco Police Department Crime Lab," the official announcement goes on. "These tests confirmed that this was the same gun that fired the fatal .380 caliber bullet." 

The police describe the weapon as a "small silver and black handgun," and notes that it was "seen on the widely viewed cell phone video of the incident" and "picked up from the crime scene by an individual during the chaotic aftermath of the shooting." 

One YouTube video showing the scene of the aftermath is titled, "Aftermath of Bayview gun battle in San Francisco," and it has had 96,897 views so far.

At around 1 minute and 23 seconds into that video, an individual in a gray hooded sweatshirt reaches down and picks up an object off the sidewalk (which doesn't look like a gun), but at another point in the clip, a gun-shaped object can be seen lying on the ground.

Lt. Troy Dangerfield, of the SFPD's media relations unit, would not say whether the man in the hooded sweatshirt had anything to do with recovering the gun. Nor would he say whether an arrest had been made when the gun was turned over to police. "I can't get into who turned over the gun, or whether that's where we got the gun from," he said, but asserted that ballistics testing had confirmed that it was the gun that fired the shot.

"We're not speaking as to whether fingerprints are on it," he added when asked if Harding's fingerprints had been detected on the firearm. He said he did not know whether Harding's cell phone had been recovered.

There are four separate investigations relating to the officer-involved shooting that occurred in connection with Harding's death, Dangerfield said. They are being carried out by the District Attorney, the Office of Citizen Complaints, SFPD Homicide Unit and SFPD Internal Affairs.

Asked why SFPD officers did not move in quickly to snap up an unsecured weapon lying on the ground if a suspect had just fired and a crowd of alarmed bystanders was forming around them, Dangerfield said that the police had to prioritize officer safety -- and in this case, he asserted, that meant keeping their weapons trained on a suspect who could still potentially pull out a gun and shoot at them. According to training protocol, "crime scene preservation" is a lower priority, he said. Asked if officers were trained to shoot to kill, he said, "we don't shoot to kill, we shoot to stop the threat."

Dangerfield went on to say that the video in which Harding is shown to still be moving while police stand with weapons trained on him would make a great police training video. "You do not remove yourself from the target until the target is no longer a threat to you," he said, indicating that a suspect who is still moving is still perceived as a threat.

However, it was this aspect of the widely viewed video -- that police continued to stand with weapons trained on Harding rather than calling for medical assistance after he'd been shot -- that seemed to most inflame residents and protesters who've condemned the police response in the aftermath.

Dangerfield confirmed that data from SpotShotter revealed that a single bullet was fired, and then multiple rounds fired in succession 1.9 seconds later. The explanation that police have given for this, he confirmed, was that Harding fired a single shot and then police opened fire.

Assuming it's true that Harding shot himself, as police have said, this suggests that the two police officers on the scene responded to a suspect shooting himself by firing eight rounds, just one of which entered through the leg. Asked why officers would respond to a self-inflicted shot in that way, Dangerfield said, "If you are a police officer and you're running and chasing ... and then shots are fired, what do you think?" He emphasized, "They're trained to return fire."


NOW what do you have to say for yourselves.....that's the gun. The cops did not fire it.

NOW try to support your left wing ideas about excessive force.

The idiot was stupid enough to shoot himself! That takes talent. No brains, but talent. But he was fare evading and ran from the cops....shows his lack of brains. Good luck his mommy getting any money on this. Burris's office jumped too soon!

Posted by Ken Howard on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 3:48 pm

Two Things:

1)"that seemed to most inflame residents and protesters who've condemned the police response in the aftermath."

Why the fuck didn't one of them call for medical assistance?

2) "but at another point in the clip, a gun-shaped object can be seen lying on the ground."

I don't remember you mentioning this last week!

Posted by Guest on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 5:08 pm

Okay, let's step back, put the pieces together, and take a look at Kenneth Harding in perspective:


Posted by Arthur Evans on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 6:03 pm

Money will make her feel better that her son was a criminal who died in a criminal act.

Posted by Lucretia "Secretia" Snapples on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 7:03 pm
Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 12:12 pm

Not at a press conference in the law offices of a human crap sack Burris.

Wanting to turn your scum bag sons death into a pay day, and then right off falling into the clutches of Burris is Kenneth Lay sleazy.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 1:13 pm

Why are you trying to wipe the slime off Lucretia's greasy fat ass, Matlock?
Does she speak for you too?
Or are you just the same sort of right wing tool that gets off judging people you don't know, and you got a little nervous at the ridiculously thin moral ice you share with this idiot?

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 3:29 pm

"progressives" don't judge people they don't know?

Posted by matlock on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 5:29 pm

Pointing out that some of the people from a group you don't care for might also be assholes makes you no less of an asshole.
You still lose, idiot.
Because you are an asshole.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 6:21 pm

Is there any minority group you won't slime in your attempts to bring down a strong, righteous sister like myself?

The true face of progressivism - revealed. And baby, it ain't pretty.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 7:43 pm

Are fat people a minority now?
Not in the U.S.- we've got an epidemic of obesity going on here.
And what's with the crybaby "I'm of a protected status!" crap?
That's not like the conservative troll identity you paste all over the place.
Just convenience, because you got caught being a soulless cock, hating on a woman with a dead son.
Talk about slime.
You and dicklock have got a monopoly on that shit.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 8:02 pm

That much is clear. Well, you can't silence all wimmin with which you disagree. And this is one of them.

Slime on. Sisters like me will keep on keepin' on!

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 11:49 pm

If you felt the least bit powerful, you wouldn't spend every day belching your sick judgments and hatred out onto the internet.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2011 @ 7:49 pm

It can overthrow dictators. Why WOULDN'T I use it to my advantage - to spread the gospel of The Snaps?

You can't silence the voice of righteousness.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 31, 2011 @ 8:58 am

In your case it has moved a mountain of lard to lash out with hate and judgment.

Then you and the other trolls proceeded to use it to move a mountain of horseshit from your damaged brains to these comments sections.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 31, 2011 @ 10:13 am

You must be a real masochist to keep coming back for more!

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 31, 2011 @ 2:41 pm

You nailed it, genius.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 3:30 pm

The extremists are pretty quite today.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 9:55 pm

Those BART machines will not ax themselves.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 28, 2011 @ 11:37 pm

if the residents were so concerned, why didn't they use their phones to call for assistance instead of making videos. initially it looked like cops used excessive force and killed someone from the community, so I understand the immediate up roar. Thing is, now we know what really happened, we were mistaken and what happened should have happened. I don't think anyone was wrong but Harding. Not police, nor the community.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 5:41 am

The incident with Kenneth Harding highlights the importance of thinking things through, and having all the evidence, before jumping up and down with bumper-sticker slogans.

Let's be reasonable.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 9:43 am

According to the Ex, Kenneth Harding, his brother, and his mother had created a record label company. Here are the lyrics from one of the songs by Kenneth’s brother, Ondrell:

“I ride around in the track with a Tec and the Mac, with an Uzi on my lap and a thousand stones in my sack.”

Sweet family, huh?


Posted by Arthur Evans on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 1:04 pm

If you are wise you will listen to me...


Let's be reasonable.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 1:16 pm

With professional race warriors (Nation of Islam) and ambulance chasing lawyers like Mr. 40% Burris.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 2:30 pm

I guess in cases like this it is quite classy to condemn and insult someone we know nothing about.

Let me give it a try...

YEAH! That bitch got what she deserves!
Those people are TRASH!

So that's why you and Matlock and the oompa loompa love doing this.
It's kind of a release isn't it?
And I can imagine people are reading MY brilliant words and being affected by ME!
You hear me world?!
My opinion is IMPORTANT!
And I'm BETTER than all the people I read about and judge while riding my delirious hategasm!

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 3:26 pm

You got the wrong perspective here. It has nothing to do with people being happy that a mother lost a son. The point is that the world is a BETTER PLACE without Kenneth, and he isn't worth grieving over PERIOD. She stands to get a big payday just to go away and I know many, many people would do the same. Saying that this family is all trash isn't hate, it's just factual.

Posted by Juan Eduardo on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 4:34 pm

Saying that you're an ignorant, hateful, judgmental fuck who is so monumentally stupid he thinks he knows all about someone after reading what? 3 newspaper stories?
It's just factual.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 4:53 pm

dead dude was a piece of shit and his mother trying to make a buck off of his shit bag status it is repulsive.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 5:38 pm

you've spent years piling evidence onto this blog proving that you are a slow thinking, quick judging right wing sack of shit, but there are just a few newspaper stories about him.
So we only know what a handful of others wrote about him.
The information about you, Matlock, is straight from the horse's ass.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

Fact - the dead dude was a convicted sex trafficker.
Fact - his mother wants money from the police, even though her son wasn't killed by the police.
Fact - the police didn't act improperly in this case.

You have a hard time arguing with facts, typical of those with no factual leg to stand on.

Now please respond by calling me a "bitch," "fat," "greasy" or any of the other names you attempt to slime me or anyone disagreeing with you. You can't argue the facts so make it personal, and make sure to demean me sexually and physically since you seem to excel at that one thing.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 7:47 pm

is not "ad hominem".
Look it up, stupid.
And you pretending to resort to "facts" in desperation after your asshole trolling got called out is laughable.
As is you or clitlock or the oompa loompa crying about "Oh my! Someone has launched me with an AD HOMINEM attack!' "Have they no decency!"

You are a disgusting hateful troll with not an ounce of empathy or kindness for strangers, as long as you can hide in anonymity while spewing your bile (from your fat, greasy, hate filled bitch ass) (is that good enough?) and you deserve the same exact shitty treatment you dole out on a daily basis.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 8:15 pm

Poor dear.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 10:20 pm

It's telling that when confronted by the fact that you are a disgusting creature, devoid of human empathy or kindness, your first assumption is that the person confronting you has not taken ENOUGH drugs.

I'll bet it takes a boatload of drugs to get a hateful monster like you through the day.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2011 @ 7:45 pm

You can't get enough of the Gospel of the Snaps. Don't worry - many people are addicted to this!

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Aug. 01, 2011 @ 3:31 pm

Who thinks the height of debate is to insinuate someone has less money than her parents?
The gospel of the demented judgmental asshole?

Ima let you have the last word here Sister Cock Snap.
Keep on Trollin' on!

Posted by Guest on Aug. 01, 2011 @ 4:08 pm

Please friend me so we can stay in touch!

The Gospel of the Snaps continues to spread - thank you for following me!

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Aug. 01, 2011 @ 5:57 pm

Justice = $$$$$$$. Cash dollars please. Make sure to set 40% aside for Burris!!

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 3:53 pm

from their parents.
Oh, yeah!
Judgin' other people feels GOOD, don't it shit fer brains?

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 4:13 pm

Actually most of the LEFTist mouth pieces are trust fund babies, you know, never had to earn it themselves. Not the impression I get from Lucretia.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 7:32 pm

Lucretia's a grownup troll.
She has voiced concerns regarding the legitimacy of how others get their money.
Let her speak for herself.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 8:05 pm

So "know one asked you" is, as usual with you, an ad-hominem. Because no one asked you either. Yet you still keep babbling your inane ramblings over and over.

Has SF General stopped accepting pysch cases recently? Either that or the crack smoke from the room next to your SRO is leaking into your hovel.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 29, 2011 @ 10:44 pm

Fat got your tongue?
Too close for comfort, Troll?

Thought after you took a break to call Arron Peskin "Tiny" you'd come back ready to explain how it's okay for you to condemn the mothers of dead sons and how they get their money, compared to just taking it from Mommy and Daddy like you did.

Sisters are trollin' it for themselves!

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2011 @ 12:28 am

Danika's talking enough for the both of us!

Tiny Peskin writing enough letters for everyone else.

And you're spewing enough for the whole world.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Jul. 30, 2011 @ 12:52 am

You may think using this term makes you sound erudite, but when you misuse it repeatedly it just emphasizes your overall ignorance.
Your ignorance is clear enough, Lucretia.
Give it a rest.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2011 @ 12:35 am