New comments policy

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My friends on the politics blog:

We’ve been getting a lot of complaints about the tone of some of the comments here. We are all for vigorous debate, and we have no desire to censor anyone’s ideas. As you all know, you are free (in fact, encouraged) to disgree with what you see here, in the strongest terms. But of late, the nastiness quotient is driving some of our loyal readers away and discouraging others from joining the discussion.

We aren’t going to try to block anyone or force registration or do anything else that would discourage any of you from easily posting. But we are going to get a bit more aggressive about deleting comments that are nothing more than personal ad hominem attacks -- mean-spirited stuff that is off point, does nothing for the issue debates and seeks to abuse or intimidate individuals.

You know who you are, and you know what I’m talking about.

I can’t promise that we’ll catch everything (we have a small staff), but if there’s anything in particular that bothers you that we missed, just let me know. Thanks.

Our new comments policy is here

 

Comments

I read the intelligent and articulate comment above from Guest regarding "Want to bring up the level of discourse(?), begin with yourself." Thank you so very much, Guest, for your comment and concern.

My comment follows:

The new comment policy for this website seems nonexistent as far as its effectiveness. Nothing has change. I'll take that back. One of the trolls has been putting on quite the act as of late but that's not likely to last long (acting can be tiring and in this case the acting is so forced and contrived) and the veneer seems to be starting to crack on that number.

For some time, I have urged that the adults here please ignore the degenerate trolls and their ad hominem slurs. They are not worthy of one's comment. None of them. The degenerates are here for themselves and ad hominem slurs, for their attention, for their satisfaction and when one responds to the degenerates and their ad hominem slurs they bathe in warm satisfaction that someone finally gave the degenerates attention in response to their ad hominem slurs. How unfortunate they have to resort to such ad hominem slurs and kindergartner behavior accompanied by temper tantrums to get the attention they want. There for awhile my suggestion that people ignore the trolls and their ad hominem slurs seemed to have been honored by nearly all. Thank you very much. Although, there seemed to be one or two people who just could not let it go and ignore the degenerate trolls and their ad hominem slurs. One person wrote that a particular troll could not be ignored. Why, I thought? That troll and ad hominem slurs could be ignored if one really wanted to ignore the troll. It's a matter of self-discipline and control.

People have different reasons for being here. Some people are here to argue or what they like to call "debate." Others are not here to argue or "debate" but just to post their views. Most; however, seem to be here to argue and pick fights with one another and that's when some people take on the trolls and their ad hominem slurs. There's one group here that is here for talking down to liberals and progressives. There's another group here that is here for talking down to the right-wing and those who wear the moderate label. There are other here who don't fall into either of those groups. I also should add that there are people here who are here to talk down to the Bay Guardian staff using ad hominem slurs and defecate on the staff whenever possible.

Anyone can easily ignore all the degenerate trolls and their ad hominem slurs regardless of what the degenerates say, if one chooses to do so. It's a matter of choice and discipline.

All over the Internet one will find degenerate ignorance, stupidity, dumb people and trolls engaging in routine ad hominem slurs. One cannot correct every mistake and act of ignorance and stupidity one finds on the Internet. It would drive a person insane. Some people are already insane, including some trolls here and their drawer full of ad hominem slurs. From my experience online, a person can correct someone (with facts) on a message forum and less than 5 minutes later someone else will come along and repeat the disinformation all over again that someone already corrected. I've seen that happen countless times. It made me realize that many people don't read comments; they just comment and in some instances trolls are deliberately repeating the disinformation to taunt others to engage in argument with ad hominem slurs.

Let's ignore the trolls and their drawer full of ad hominem slurs.

Let's be reasonable, sensible, civil, safe, esteemed, coherent, cogent, focused, aristocratic, intelligent, intellectual, articulate, sophisticated and adult with a broad-based coalition of good-will, harmony, good evidence and sound logic.

Let's be adult. Let's be reasonable. Let's be sensible.

Let's act like grownups.

Posted by Artor Evons on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 1:46 am

Artor, give me a fucking break.

You are CONSTANTLY commenting in reply to Arthur.

Why don't you start us off by taking your own advice, eh?

If you think we need to stop feeding the trolls, then STOP.

Posted by vigilante on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 12:34 pm

actually vigilante, i think artor is simply mocking arthur evans, not replying. i don't see artor as replying to any of the trolls. that's how i see it.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 1:47 pm

The point is that Artor's comments are almost *always* followed by an entire *series* of idiotic responses from Arthur.

It doesn't matter that they are replies meant to mock, because the result is yet more inane Arthur posting.

Posted by vigilante on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 2:58 pm

"Use Discipline To Ignore All The Trolls"

- Guest

I love watching "Guest" (and his myriad incarnations) urge people to ignore posters they disagree with. Yet no one writes longer posts about other posters than he (as the post above shows, once again).

This is not the only Monty Python absurdity we see here.

Here are some others:

*Accusing other posters of using more than one handle, while using half a dozen himself.

*Calling others Trolls, Shills, and Liars, while saying he avoids ad hominem slanders.

*Accusing others of trying to get in the last word in debates, while making posts that are the last word.

*Acting like a child having a temper tantrum, while calling the result progressive politics.

* * * * *

Bottom line:

You can't build an effective political movement with malice, stupidity, and incoherence. On the contrary, good will, intelligence, and logic are required.

Bummer, huh?

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 9:32 am

Moving from the simply annoying to the criminal. A pattern, I must say, we see exhibited in fringe movements around this country.

Posted by Right on Sister Snapples on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 10:48 am

Thanks, Paul, for your post above, responding to the abusive posts by Vigilante. Some thoughts –

You say to Vigilante:

“you now admit your purpose here is to attack and deter others rather than post constructively and on topic.”

Right you are. The purpose of Vigilante (and his many manifestations) is to shut down open debate by using the tactics of attrition and harassment.

You say:

“You dismiss and define those with different political persuasions as a troll…”

Right again. Anybody who disagrees with any of the dogmas of Vigilante (and his many manifestations) is immediately denounced as a “troll.”

You say:

“your desire to censor and ban (while defending the right to free speech on BART, ironically) is as ill-fated as it is flawed in principle.”

Vigilante (and his many manifestations) wants to harass into silence anybody who has an opinion differ from his. The goal is uniformity of dogma. And in the name of progressive politics!

In fact, however, we find the same tactics on the part of the far right.

The extremes of the political spectrum mirror each other.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 28, 2011 @ 1:05 pm