BART protests continue (VIDEO)

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Protesters returned to downtown San Francisco train stations on August 29, vowing to keep up their schedule of Monday evening rush hour protests until the  BART police are disarmed and retrained, or disbanded. This time, howevef, stations remained open and trains ran on schedule in a protest where both BART police and demonstrators took pains to reach out to commuters angered by recent train service disruptions.

A crowd of 200 people gathered outside of Civic Center station, the location of the July 3 fatal shooting of a 45 year old Charles Hill by BART police.

Hill's physician, Dr. Rupa Marya, joined the protest a day after releasing an open letter on the shooing calling for BART police to re-examine its use of force policies and training.

“Charles was a member of the invisible class of people in SF--mentally ill, homeless and not reliably connected to the help he needed,” read Marya's letter. “We often have to deal with agitated--sometimes even violent--patients in the hospital. Through teamwork, tools and training, we have not had to fatally wound our patients in order to subdue them.”

The protest made its way down Market Street entering each station briefly but remaining outside the fare gates. BART police have made it clear recently that their policies only allow freedom of expression outside the paid areas of the station. Previous protests on the train platforms have lead to station closures and train delays – delays that protesters and police have accused each other of causing.

Video taken by Josh Wolf, which includes protesters and counterprotesters, including a debate between Dr. Marya and a supporter of the cops.

As the protesters moved down the Market Street corridor they were shadowed by a small army of BART and San Francisco Police Department officers intent on preventing further station closures.

At Montgomery station Deputy BART Police Chief Daniel Hartwig told the Guardian, “Protesters appear to be following BART's free speech rules and regulations and at this point we are happy they are. We support their right to protest.”

Behind him the station lobby filled protesters chanting, “How can they protect and serve us? BART police just make us nervous.”

At Embarcadero station an organizer with No Justice No BART challenged BART's free speech rules.

“Right here you can say what you want. The moment you enter that fare gate you can't say what you want,” he announced over a megaphone before crossing through the fair gates under heavy police presence.

After speaking out briefly in the paid area of the station, he exited of his own accord and was promptly arrested by BART police along with another protester in a Guy Fawkes mask who also had been using a megaphone.

Muni, which shares several downtown train stations with BART, has shifted in recent years away from police patrols to a “community ambassador” program, largely removing armed SFPD officers from those train and bus lines in favor of unarmed fare enforcement personal. The program has been praised from all sides as an appropriate balance of community safety, and fare enforcement on public transportation.

Robin, a young San Francisco native who said it was her first time participating in the police misconduct protests, characterized the gathering as a success. When asked if she found the presence of so many police intimidating she said “It was meant to be intimidating. That they would bring everyone out to police a small protest shows they fell they have something to be ashamed of.”

While the protesters focused on BART's use of lethal force, civil liberties groups filed a petition Monday with the Federal Communications Commission, as the national fallout continues over BART's decision to cut cellphone service to thwart a protest that never developed on August 11.

The coalition including Center for Democracy and Technology, Center for Media Justice, and Electronic Frontier Foundation argues that regardless of First Amendment augments for or against the disruption of cell service in the paid areas of BART's stations, BART exceeded its authority under federal law. The complaint notes that the Communications Act, which governs cell phone service providers, clearly states the no carrier shall discontinue service without authorization from the FCC.

“It has been settled law for decades that law enforcement agencies have no authority to order discontinuation of phone service on mere suspicion of illegal activity without due process,” the complaint states.

The coalition urged the FCC to address the issue immediately in light of BART's statements attempting to justify the cell service disruption, and the risk that other government agency may consider similar policies if the FCC does not assert its authority in the matter.

BART's board of directors held an emergency meeting (Wed/25) to begin crafting a policy outlining to what future instances could lead further shutoffs.

BART has staff defended its disruption of service that took place August 11, saying their intent was to protect public safety.

Comments

less than 100. In fact, the numbers are less each week.

And only two protestors even bothered to go through the turnstiles. They were arrested. The rest milled about and didn't cause any station closures.

So essentially the protests are dying out and the issue has blown over. But of course you were told to write an article to "keep it alive" even while the rest of the media has moved on.

As should you.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 1:48 pm

Why did you stop posting your "name"?

Posted by Guest on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 1:57 pm

The Washington Post Business Tech section had an article about this topic yesterday:
Title:
San Francisco’s BART cellphone shutdown prompts complaint to FCC
08/29/2011

Google it. I can't get any link past the damned spam filter. I am sick and tired of the f*cking spam filter just for putting a link in.

Posted by Jorge Orwell 1984 on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 2:25 pm

Thanks to Josh Wolf for the video. I had difficulty watching it and couldn't watch it all. I can only take so much right-wing vomit. I have had it up to here with people like that piece of la basura that Dr Marya was trying to "debate." I appreciate her efforts, but she was wasting her time with him and I could have told her that before she got started with her "debate." I would have immediately walked away from that guy the moment I heard his first sentence. That would have been enough for me, based on my experience with people. You're not about to get anywhere with him or someone like him. Period. He used all the talking points and buzz words from the right-wing human excrement nut balls. He would be very comfortable in a totalitarian system.

This planet is like a giant, human cesspool wrapped up in a case of bile waiting to explode.

Posted by Jorge Orwell 1984 on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 3:54 pm

The public is relieved that the train runs were not disrupted. That's the issue that the protestors are making the public focus on whenever the protestors appear.

Isn't something amiss here?

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 5:05 pm

FCC spokesman Neil Grace said in a statement on Monday that the agency is "continuing to collect information" about the actions by the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) and "and will be taking [steps] to hear from stakeholders about the important issues those actions raised."

In particular, Grace alluded to potential public safety problems that could arise when the authorities interrupted service, an action that has caused a national outcry over whether BART exceeded its authority.

http://techdailydose.nationaljournal.com/2011/08/fcc-probing-wireless-bl...

Posted by Guest on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 5:26 pm

Anyone considering the merit of the recent BART protests, look no further than No Justice, No BART's blogspot. The site is replete with an uncensored chronology of conflicts of interest, institutionalized brutality and cover-up that is simply shock inducing. When government is, thus, corrupted and unaccountable, the people have a duty to expose it by whatever means necessary, preferably exhausting peaceful means, first.

Posted by RobertBenson on Aug. 30, 2011 @ 8:17 pm

"Hill's physician, Dr. Rupa Marya, joined the protest a day after releasing an open letter on the shooing calling for BART police to re-examine its use of force policies and training."

Dr. Marya doesn't seem to have done Charles Hill much good. Perhaps she should examine her own competence before going in front of the media and wagging her finger in everybody else's face.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 8:25 am

about Marya's self-serving "observations".

Throw in also that she has a track record of being outspoken on various liberal issues, and it seems clear we are not dealing with a dispassionate clinical diagnosis here.

I'm sensing increasing desperation among those who have a vested interest in keeping this almost-dead dog on life support.

Posted by PaulT on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 10:18 am

Without attention, trolls starve and begin look elsewhere for their sustenance.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 11:10 am

I love living in America.
It really is the land of the free and the home of the brave, in spite of a vocal handful of bitter, frightened, unappreciative and undereducated chumps.

Posted by Harvey on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 11:37 am

Thanks, Paul, for your post above about Dr. Rupa Marya, who treated Charles Hill (the person killed in the BART incident). It turns out that Rupa Marya is also a singer and guitar player who’s good at attracting media attention.

According to the article below, “Dr. Rupa Marya tends to critical-care patients at UC San Francisco, where she teaches intern physicians about communicating with people facing life and death decisions.”

I would said she failed Communications 101 in dealing with Charles Hill. Not to mention failing to prescribe him drugs that would keep him from going berserk.

Hopefully, she'll get better reviews as a guitar player.

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/nov/01/entertainment/ca-rupa-fishes1

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 12:52 pm

So this is the pic so far with Dr. Rupa Marya, as she herself has revealed to the media:

She acknowledges that Charles Hill came to see her as a patient, with mental problems. Later, he went berserk and ended up getting shot by police.

The natural question that emerges is this:

Did Dr. Marya give Charles Hill medically competent treatment? If so, how can she explain his subsequent behavior?

Charles Hill's surviving family members would do well at this point to consult with an attorney. Dr. Marya may have some exposure here to a medical negligence and malpractice suit.

And some advice to Dr. Marya -

You would have done well to observe a common rule in medicine:

Never discuss with the media the condition of a patient whom you have personally treated.

The company that insures you against medical malpractice suits will not be happy to see that you have broken this rule.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 2:00 pm

Mr. Evans,
In your post, above, you clearly attempt to discredit Dr. Marya and threaten her with baseless legal action. I have no cause for doubting the veracity of the doctors statements and innumerable causes to doubt BART's statements, as BART has a veritable laundry list of false statements made to obfuscate criminal and civil liability. You allege Mr. Hill went berserk, but no evidence evincing same has been produce, beyond the impeachable claims of BART. The "confidentiality" breached would be between Mr. Hill and the doctor. Clearly, Mr. Hill will not be suing her, nor will any of his surviving family, as the doctor has asserted such facts in support of Mr. Hill. You, sir, obviously have an agenda. Stop harassing the doctor. Cheers

Posted by Robert Benson on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 2:45 pm

I agree with Robert Benson. Arthur Evans has an agenda. He shows up here for the sole pleasure of harassing progressive commenters and BG staff. Then he whines about ad hominem attacks. Yet, he is so lacking in awareness that he can't recognize his own hypocrisy.

Well, he's reached a new low this time. He has no proof whatever of malpractice on the doctor's part. Yet, he is attempting to defame Dr. Marya with this vile slander. That's why I request that you to delete his comment.

If Mr. Evans had done his homework, he might have found that Dr. Marya's band, Rupa and the April Fishes, has done benefits for Amnesty International, immigrant rights and other progressive causes. She is a woman with tremendous heart and a real treasure to the community.

You can see this at the end of the video when she attempts to connect with the humanity of the man she's debating (asks his name and shakes his hand). I don't know if Arthur Evans has even a shred of decency, but he owes Dr. Marya an apology. Otherwise, he deserves to banned from this site. IMHO, he's really gone too far this time.

Posted by Lisa on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 4:40 pm

Thanks, Robert Benson, for your post above. I’ll try to address your concerns.

You say:

“you clearly attempt to discredit Dr. Marya and threaten her with baseless legal action.”

I used to work for a doctor-owned company that insured doctors against medical malpractice suits. They would have been dumbfounded by Dr. Marya’s recent comments, as would any medical insurer.

Dr. Marya went before the media and acknowledged treating Charles Hill for mental problems, after which he went berserk and got killed.

You don’t think she has a potential problem here? You’re living in a fantasy world.

Don’t stone the messenger for delivering the message.

You say:

“You allege Mr. Hill went berserk, but no evidence evincing same has been produce, beyond the impeachable claims of BART.”

You’re foolish to dismiss BART claims as no evidence. It this matter ever goes to any sort of civil trial, Charles Hill’s previous history, both medical and otherwise, will come to the fore.

You say:

“You, sir, obviously have an agenda.”

Another conspiracy!

Posted by Arthur Evans on Aug. 31, 2011 @ 3:15 pm

Your pathetic attempt to marginalize my allegation of you, obviously, having an agenda by playing the patented "conspiracy" card is reproachable.

You clearly have an agenda against the poor, as demonstrated by your previous comments made to demonize the class. See http://www.sfbayguardian.com/politics/2010/04/29/meet-proponents-sit-lie

With your willingness to ignore the plain truth and support measures that harass and criminalize the homeless, perhaps you should seek a position with BART - assuming you do no already have one. Cheers

Posted by Robert Benson on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 2:08 pm

Hey Robert....you suggested, "perhaps you should seek a position with BART." BART already has enough bad people working for them...that's the problem; they don't need any more.

But you are correct, that thing does indeed have an agenda. It's a right-wing, dysfunctional agenda which "it" tries to disguise but is not very good at doing so. "It" is not worth the time of day.

Posted by QUEER-Boy Jorge Orwell 1984 on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 3:41 pm

"You clearly have an agenda against the poor..."

- Robert Benson

Don't take my word for it, as to the situation in which Dr. Rupa Marya now finds herself as a result of her recent public comments about the BART shooting.

Let her to speak to the insurance company or group that insures her against medical malpractice suits, and see what they have to say.

Hint:

She should brace herself for an earful.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 2:46 pm

"Dr. Rupa Marya Should Speak to Her Insur.."=empty Arthur attack

Posted by vigilante on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 3:06 pm

I agree with Robert Benson. Arthur Evans has an agenda. He shows up here for the sole pleasure of harassing progressive commenters and BG staff. Then he whines about ad hominem attacks. Yet, he is so lacking in awareness that he can't recognize his own hypocrisy.

Well, he's reached a new low this time. He has no proof whatever of malpractice on the doctor's part. Yet, he is attempting to defame Dr. Marya with this vile slander. That's why I request that you to delete his comment.

If Mr. Evans had done his homework, he might have found that Dr. Marya's band, Rupa and the April Fishes, has done benefits for Amnesty International, immigrant rights and other progressive causes. She is a woman with tremendous heart and a real treasure to the community.

You can see this at the end of the video when she attempts to connect with the humanity of the man she's debating (asks his name and shakes his hand). I don't know if Arthur Evans has even a shred of decency, but he owes Dr. Marya an apology. Otherwise, he deserves to banned from this site. IMHO, he's really gone too far this time.

Posted by Lisa on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 4:48 pm

Thanks, Lisa, for your post above. Some responses follow.

You say:

“please delete Arthur Evans' comment about Dr. Marya.”

There’s nothing progressive about censorship.

You say:

“Arthur Evans has an agenda. He shows up here for the sole pleasure of harassing progressive commenters and BG staff.”

I quote the exact words of those I disagree with and point out flaws in their reasoning or gaps in the evidence.

This is rational debate, not harassment.

You say:

“He has no proof whatever of malpractice on the doctor's part.”

I pointed out that she went before the media and said she had treated a patient for mental problems, after which he went berserk and got killed. This situation raises legitimate questions about her competence.

I noted that her comments could make her vulnerable to a malpractice suit, based on my own experience working for an insurance carrier that provided malpractice coverage to physicians.

I urged her to speak to her insurance carrier and see what they say. If she does so, she will hear pretty much what I’ve said above.

Will you try to silence the insurance carrier, too?

You say:

“She is a woman with tremendous heart and a real treasure to the community.”

That doesn’t make her exempt from malpractice suits.

There’s an army of lawyers out there, looking for malpractice suits to push in the courts. They read the newspapers.

You say:

“I don't know if Arthur Evans has even a shred of decency, but he owes Dr. Marya an apology.”

Don’t shoot the messenger for delivering the message.

Posted by Arthur Evans on Sep. 04, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

I wish our resident hagfish above could at least come with an original, creative or constructive thought.

Posted by Pat Monk.RN. on Sep. 05, 2011 @ 9:30 am

As noted above, Dr. Rupa Marya has raised a legitimate question about her competence in treating Charles Hill. She publicly acknowledges treating Hill; afterwards, he went berserk and got killed.

But there's another aspect to be considered besides competence, the ethical aspect.

Dr. Marya, acting on her own initiative, went before the media to talk about a patient she had privately treated after the patient became the subject of a news story.

Isn't this action on her part a violation of medical ethics?

Isn't she part of the UC medical system?

Doesn't UC state that its policy is to protect the privacy of the doctor-patient relationship? If a doctor runs in front of the cameras to talk about a patient who has made the news, isn't that action contrary to publicly stated UC ethical standards?

What would happen if other doctors felt free to behave in this way? Is this an ethical pattern of behavior?

Posted by Arthur Evans on Sep. 06, 2011 @ 8:10 am

Hi. Long time.

Posted by Arthur Bell on Sep. 08, 2011 @ 7:08 pm

According to the Ex, the most recent BART protest fizzled (link below).

More protests are expected.

Are they winning over the public or alienating them?

My guess is that the protestors are consolidating support among their own choir but losing everybody who belongs to another church.

Not that such a concern will have any impact on their behavior.

Click here:

http://www.sfexaminer.com/local/2011/09/bart-protest-fizzles-another-pla...

Posted by Arthur Evans on Sep. 06, 2011 @ 2:40 pm

I think it shows a profound misunderstanding (or malice) to suggest that Dr. Marya was responsible for Charles Hill's condition. Look, I have an uncle who is a psychiatrist and my ex-husband is a psychiatric social worker. His father and brother are both doctors. Every one of them could tell you that mental illnesses is very difficult to treat, much less cure.

In most cases, the doctor can help his/her patient to manage their disorder by suggesting a course of treatment. But, once released, the patient needs to follow the treatment plan in order to keep their condition under control. Unfortunately, this was complicated by the fact that Mr. Hill was homeless.

As Dr. Marya stated, "Charles was a member of the invisible class of people in SF --mentally ill, homeless and not reliably connected to the help he needed." (note: Dr. Marya didn't reveal anything about the details of Mr. Hill's case that we haven't already read in the paper.)

Most homeless people sleep during the day because it's too dangerous to sleep at night. They are afraid of being assaulted or set on fire (as occurred in one case). That's why the sit-lie law is so cruel. Lack of sleep on a consistent basis can literally drive a person mad~ they may hallucinate or behave in a crazier manner than they ordinarily would. The police need to learn how to discern when they are dealing with someone who is truly dangerous or someone who is having a mental breakdown. If they got to know the people in their community, they might have an easier time making this determination.

Furthermore, Dr. Marya is in no way responsible for the mental disorder of a society that criminalizes the homeless nor of a police force that uses them for target practice. Nor can she force folks like Arthur Evans to have a sense of decency or compassion towards the most vulnerable among us.

We are all responsible for the health of the society we live in. And we should pay particular attention to laws and policies that affect the homeless and mentally ill, and how those laws are enforced... because, the fact is, BART has a history of deadly and excessive force.

http://sfbayview.com/2011/barting-while-homeless-charles-blair-hill-is-t...

Some day, Mr. Evans may need the services of someone like Dr. Marya. He would be supremely blessed to find a doctor with such a deep level of empathy and commitment to her patients that she is willing to risk speaking out for the dignity and worth of their lives (regardles of their status within society). This is the type of preventive medicine that could save many more lives. And for that, Dr. Marya deserves our deepest respect and gratitude.

Posted by Lisa on Sep. 08, 2011 @ 5:56 pm

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