Rick Perry's nutcase preacher

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You'd be smiling too if you'd just poked the Sun Goddess

Did anyone else catch Terry Gross's brilliant interview with C. Peter Wagner, the leader of the New Apostolic Reformation? He's one of Rick Perry's peeps, and his crew was involved in Perry's big prayer meeting a few months back.

Lord, the guy is off his tree. I mean, full-on wackamole batso crazy.

Japan, for example, is in deep economic decline because it's controlled by demons who were allowed to take over the country when the emperor had sex with the Sun Goddess. (She's not a nice girl, the Sun Goddess.) Wagner isn't sure how that happened, physically, but he's certain that it did (since humans have been known to have sex with the incubus and succubus).

Must have been hot.

And, of course, there are a lot of demons in Congress -- and not only Democrats. There might be some demonic Republicans, too. They have to be diagnosed with a five-page questionnaire so the demons can be cast out.

Oh, and some whole cities are controlled by demons. (I wonder which ones those might be?)

When you talk about demons over cities, we're talking about what — sometimes what we refer to as territorial spirits, and they're more high-ranking spirits in the hierarchy of darkness and they're more powerful and they require different approaches, and it's not as easy as commanding them to leave in the name of Jesus. So sometimes there has to be repentance, sometimes there has to be — there has been bloodshed in that city that needs to be repented of, there has been idolatry in the city that has ruined the land. There's been immorality that needs to be repented of, and there are several social things that people really need to acknowledge that they're bad and repent of them and ask forgiveness.

Mercy.

So this is the kind of dude who will be hanging around the White House in the Perry Administration. Talk about demons overhead.

Comments

The reason I'd question such a characterization of Wagner is twofold -

First, Americans quite often fall into the trap of believing that people who hold unusual beliefs cannot be effective. In his time, Peter Wagner appears to have been extraordinarily effective, as a leader of his evolving movement.

Second, the dismissal of Wagner's demon-filled paradigm, as merely nutty, tends to prevent further scrutiny. I say this as the person who posted the original "emperor/sex with the sun goddess" video footage back in 2009 (with accompanying stories.)

C. Peter Wagner's Spiritual Mapping/Spiritual Warfare ideas have proven very effective as political mobilizing tools, such that people under sway of these ideas are now organizing into coherent groups in cities across America. Some of these groups are organized by city district, with district leaders, as would befit a political campaign.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:09 pm

Said one Nutcase to the Other

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:14 pm

I'm not saying he's ineffective or that lots of people aren't swayed by this shit. I'm just saying he's nuts.

Posted by tim on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But for my part I have to notice that, for the general public, characterizations such as "nuts" tend to make people dismissive of movements such as Wagner's -- which are quite used to scorn anyway and, in fact, find it useful. Although you may take this seriously ("nuts" doesn't equal "ineffective") most will not, and so Wagner's people will carry on, quietly organizing outside of the spotlight. Which is what his movement prefers.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 1:18 pm

Of course you're entitled to your opinion. But for my part I have to notice that, for the general public, characterizations such as "nuts" tend to make people dismissive of movements such as Wagner's -- which are quite used to scorn anyway and, in fact, find it useful. Although you may take this seriously ("nuts" doesn't equal "ineffective") most will not, and so Wagner's people will carry on, quietly organizing outside of the spotlight. Which is what his movement prefers.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 1:19 pm

Said One Nutcase to the Other Nutcase....

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:13 pm

Is he married to Terry Joan Baum, different views, just as whacky!

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:43 pm

Lovely,

looking forward for similar interviews of Reverend Jim Wallis and Jeremiah Wright.

Posted by Paul on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 3:51 pm

Please post similarly crazy statements from Wright or Wallis.

Thank you.

And please brush your teeth, arse-lick.

Posted by Perkins on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 6:06 pm

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2008/03/the_ai...

What does that last line mean?

Something like your blow job comment?

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 8:44 pm

"Another common tactic is the 'a plague on both your houses" approach, where the concern troll tries to convince people that both sides of the ideological divide are doing the same thing, or are just as bad as each other, knowing the site's reason for existing in the first place is to promote one side of the ideological divide. This preys on the sites' willingness to actually debate critics and allow dissenting commentary, since there normally isn't any more to these accusations than the endless repetition of the assertion."

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 5:24 pm

you whine.

The right and left have their kooky religious types. Fact.

The right and left like to complain about the other sides kooky types while ignoring or diminishing their own. Fact.

You = idiot. Fact.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 6:15 pm

Fact.
That makes both of you willfully ignorant assholes not worth debating.
Fact.
Your unsupported, assbrained contentions are deserving of brief ridicule.
Fact.
Meatlock or
Matlock or
Fuckstick or
Whatever stupid name you come up with next.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 8:38 pm

too much.

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 8:51 pm

heh, heh....

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 10:53 pm

progressobots are just the same bad as compservaties!

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 10:55 pm

Ah just had another one a my hategasns, boys!

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 10:57 pm

Most of us must be right up there with Ezekial.

Posted by Carling on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 6:51 pm

Where?

You--incapable of reading comp and dumb as a sack of radishes--fact.

Posted by Perkins on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 7:00 pm

I meant Ezekiel, of course.

Posted by Carling on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 7:03 pm

Giving up caffeine was a bad idea.

Posted by Carling on Oct. 04, 2011 @ 7:04 pm

So let me get this straight.....it's ok for your golden (ha!) boy Obama to sit in Jeremiah Wright's racist, Anti-American "church" FOR 20 YEARS, then have the gall to claim he had no knowledge of Wright's said rhetoric (and obviously, his view of America, and other races).......and you're concerned about Wagner? "God damn America"..."US of KKK"...etc....did you write an article disavowing those NUTCASE and treasonous comments? Of course not, Dems protect their own at the expense of their ethics (or lack thereof).

What happened to Jeremiah Wright? Obama defended and then disowned him, as popular opinion swayed. A man of principle. Perry will take care of his own, that's called loyalty. Look it up.

Posted by CDH3ring on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 4:09 am

"Another common tactic is the 'a plague on both your houses" approach, where the concern troll tries to convince people that both sides of the ideological divide are doing the same thing, or are just as bad as each other, knowing the site's reason for existing in the first place is to promote one side of the ideological divide. This preys on the sites' willingness to actually debate critics and allow dissenting commentary, since there normally isn't any more to these accusations than the endless repetition of the assertion."

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 7:22 am

Perry is an loser independent of his preacher.

It's a bit much for the right wingers to complain to much about Obama's preacher after all those years of Jerry Fallwell and Pat Robertson.

It's a bit much for the left to be complaining not so long after Wright's conspiracy addled idiocy came to light.

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 8:24 am

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Posted by Patrick Monk RN on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 9:28 am

Hm. Lots of coverage of someone advertised as Rick Perry's preacher.

Remind me again ... how did you (the MSM) hold Barack Hussein Obama responsible for his preacher? You remember, Jeremiah Wright?

Oh wait. You covered for Obama. You gave him a huge pass. You swept the entire issue under the rug.

What is it like to be a dedicated, unrepentant propagandist? Can you even look in the mirror in the morning?

Posted by Paul A'Barge on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 10:37 am

It is totally amazing what happens in today's modern politics when a Candidate loudly, openly and boldly
speaks of his faith in Jesus Christ...all Hell breaks loose! When a Candidate stands clearly as a Christian, not as a
Mormon or a Catholic [both of which are not true Christianity according to the Bible]...every Demon on earth awakes!
When a Candidate is not a hypocrite, such as one who commits Adultery...then the Gates of Hell break into an insane frenzy!
When a Candidate believes in the value of life and does not promote the slaughter of children within the safety of the womb...
then Satan himself is aroused to full fledged war! Slander, twisted truths and blatant lies are then published in the daily
newspapers and internet and spouted by the TV news organizations to discredit that Candidate and deceive the people of the nation.
Every possible attempt is made, at all costs, not elect a Candidate who unashamedly declares his allegiance to Jesus Christ.
Moral decay has been rising greatly in this nation for many years! God's Word must be silenced! Darkness must destroy any promotion of Light!
I can only imagine if Jesus were running for the Presidency today. I'm sure they would crucify him...again!

Posted by Dane on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 12:16 pm

Your god doesn't exist.

A right wing or left wing individual believer is no more or less moral then anyone else. Like all true believers they just yell louder about how great they are.

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 05, 2011 @ 3:11 pm

Is that where you live and scoff at "true believers"?
In your likely hood?

Or is it something you wear when you don't want to be noticed?
"Hey! Check out my new likely hoodie!
Name's Meatdoofus, man. Put 'er there!
Say. You enjoy obsessing over the foibles of progressives?
Cause I know I do!
Har!"

Posted by Guest on Oct. 06, 2011 @ 9:31 pm

You believe in a god?

Is that what makes you so righteous?

Posted by meatlock on Oct. 07, 2011 @ 8:23 pm

Amazing. People continue to believe in things that humanity should have left in the Dark Ages.

What's worse is that they want to force those beliefs on non-believers.

Posted by Terry C - NJ on Oct. 09, 2011 @ 3:03 pm

Here is a short video that shows Mitt Romney could fix the economy if he lived what he believes.
http://youtu.be/7v2XYsZGAts
If voters saw this video they might wonder how Mitt could be trusted if he makes promises with God and then goes back on them.

Posted by Guest on Oct. 14, 2011 @ 8:01 am