Aren't we glad the Blue Angels still fly over SF?

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I understand that the Angels are supposed to be the best pilots in the Navy, but still: These things crash, and when they do it really sucks. At least seven still missing in Virginia Beach. Imagine if that happened in, say, the Mission, or Telegraph Hill?

I've never been a big fan of the Blue Angels -- what a waste of money and fuel in a celebration of military might -- but every time we see a crash like this, I have to ask: For safety alone, is this still a good idea?

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Is it a good idea for any planes to ever fly over any city anywhere ?
They could crash.

Posted by Greg on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 5:19 pm

I think you bring up a good point, but I believe that for the most part, most airplanes are already forbidden from flying over San Francisco.

Posted by lillipublicans on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 6:55 am

Huh, because I never ever see a plane flying over San Francisco. Definitely not at least once a day

Posted by greg on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 8:33 am

I do notice when I am in Millbrae that Boeing 747s lumber by a few feet over my head. But the people who live in Millbrae don't count I guess.

Posted by Troll on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 1:45 pm

I see/hear at least 10-15 jets a day fly over the GG Bridge and over the city, even more on a clear day. At least that many private planes buzz this town, and some so low you think they're gonna land in on 280. Apparently, theres more to this jet story than what the Navy is telling us since they aren't releasing data regarding maneuvers being made prior to the crash.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 10, 2012 @ 8:46 am

You mean, gasp, the Navy would withhold information from the public in order to get it's way? I'm shocked, shocked! F*ck the Navy.

Posted by barry eisenberg on Apr. 13, 2012 @ 6:44 pm

F$$K THE NAVY... protect YOUR OWN ASS BITCH!!!!!

Posted by Guest on Jan. 15, 2013 @ 2:17 pm

You mean the Navy, gasp, would withhold information from the public in order to get its way? I'm shocked, shocked! F*ck the Navy.

Posted by barry eisenberg on Apr. 13, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

GET A CLUE.... YOUR PUNK ASS has prob... never been up in a plane.... NOR DEFENDED "OUR" COUNTRY.... your a punk bitch.... MOVE!!!

Posted by Guest on Jan. 15, 2013 @ 2:15 pm

Bravo Tim - although I'd have expected something like this hours ago.

Posted by Troll II on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 5:22 pm

The plane just crashed today dummy. A similar thing could happen here with the Blue Angels. Gee how dare TR bring up such a thing.

Time for you to get over your obsession with Mr. Redmond and stop feeling the need to jump on any thing he says no matter what it is. Since you're so gungho for sticking your head in the sand about the possiblitity of a Blue Angels crash, when it does happen (and it will eventually if they keep it up), it would only be appropriate that you and only you are at ground zero when it happens and maybe a few seconds before it hits your stupid ass, those five brain cells of yours might get the notion that maybe TR had a point. Stupid ass.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 10:07 pm

OK.

Posted by Troll II on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 11:52 pm

People get hurt in tragedies all the time. People get killed crossing the Castro. Nobody is proposing that the Navy continually run training missions over San Francisco like they do in Virginia Beach.

But when Fleet Week comes around and you see all the excited young families flock to the San Francisco waterfront, with thousands of young children looking up at the sky in draw dropping amazement at the technology and science that they see, perhaps you can take a moment to think of poor Tim Redmond, who sees nothing other than "a waste of money and fuel in a celebration of military might".

And then feel happy that there are so few people of his sad, pathetic ilk.

Posted by Troll on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 6:06 pm

But they do they training runs all over the city. I live on Nob Hill and they fly right over me before the weekend. Something goes wrong, a lot of people will die.

Posted by SFTitan on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 11:07 am

There is a huge difference between daily training missions with student pilots and 3 flights a year with the most elite pilots and planes. Just about anything can turn into a catastrophe but it would be a sad life if we lived it just in fear of the absolute worst happening.

Should we also ban helicopters and private planes? Personally I'll take my chances with the Blue Angels.

Posted by Troll on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 11:32 am

Every single day. It's very dangerous - what if one of these "flying machines" were to drop out of the sky? Clearly it's a risk we cannot take and thus all planes should be routed over someone else's backyard - not mine!

Posted by Troll II on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 2:19 pm

Actually, I also see [almost] "nothing other than "a waste of money and fuel in a celebration of military might".

Last October, I commented on the SF Examiner site on the past crashes of blue angels. I questioned the wisdom of flying over the city. I also think that like, loud motorcycles, no one has a right to willingly impose ear-shattering noise on the populace. The comment was deleted.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 09, 2012 @ 7:33 pm

Militarism sucks and it's harmful to children and other living things. There's more of us in San Francisco who see things this way than there are of your ilk, Troll. The problem lies in the vested money interests that control Fleet Week. They and the over-the-hill gang forever trying to relive their ancient past, plus the militant mobs turned out by Rose Pak to cry about how JROTC and anything else military is their only "family"---it's because of this triumvirate that SF continues to be plagued by Fleet Week. When you stop and think of all the money down the drain to run Fleet Weak (sic), and you think of all the cold cash that's wasted on the "teachers" in the J-ro program, to the detriment of the majority of students and their educational needs, well it's just corrupt and sickening. Eventually it will all come to an end because it's contrary to the spirit of the city of St. Francis, but hopefully it will be with a whimper and not a bang that a catastrophic crash would represent.

Posted by barry eisenberg on Apr. 13, 2012 @ 6:59 pm

Yes tim, you're a jack ass!

Posted by Geroge Bosh III on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 6:42 pm

Tim, right on. I would love to see those things gone for good in SF. They are incredibly loud (massive understatement) - must raise the bp of everyone within 5 miles of them by 40 pts.

And they are nothing but a big fat ad for war and its toys. And if one of those things lost control over a neighborhood in SF (like in the Marina or Marina Greens, it could kill up to a hundred people). The City of SF is really rolling the dice playing that game every year with those death machines. Those who don't think a crash can happen should read the book, The Black Swan (Nassim Taleb or something like that is the author).

Posted by Guest on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 10:15 pm

is that they are little different from the far right.

Awesome post comrade.

Posted by matlock on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 10:40 pm

Because what you posted is idiocy that appears to come from a damaged brain. Let me guess - you've had a strong liking for lots of alcohol for the last 30 or 40 years - and probably cigarettes too - like every night. That catches up to ppl after enough years.

I'll give you this - you can spell correctly, unfortunately your post is little more than gibberish - you even make your hero Limbaugh look brilliant in comparison and I didn't think that was possible.

If you want to go beyond the level of gibberish, try backing it up with something - try anything, go ahead, you can't look any stupider than that last post made you look.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 12:32 am
heh

Such a smart post, although it is one long strawman.

This is the nature of the far left and right, they can't really figure out why people don't agree with them so they just tell stories. Why would I listen to Limbaugh if I think the goofy right is just as dumb as the left? You're calling others stupid?

The first post reminded me of so many outraged right wingers, the left and right think they have the right to go through life un-offended, they make up their own revealed world, and then outrage away.

Posted by mirkarimi on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 12:38 pm

Don't something like a million people go down to the waterfront with their families to watch the Blue Angels. But we don't care about anyone else's enjoyment do we?

The flight that crashed was one of the dozens of training flights that go up daily in that area, involving student pilots. We have flights for a few hours a year involving the most elite pilots and planes.

Do you really try to live your life without any risk at all, no matter how remote?

How sad. What do you do, just stay in your room all day with the doors locked?

Posted by Troll on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 12:00 am

for his open posting policy and leaving up posts that flat out insult him. I never agree with the guy either but he takes the heat...Bravo.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 10:34 pm

Thanks, Guest. I don't mind criticism; this is all about open discussion, even if at times it seems a bit unhinged. We only delete posts that include ad hominem attacks or truly offensive (ie racist or homophobic) language. You can attack me all you want. I'm used to it.

Posted by tim on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

it would be a different story with our progressive screamers.

Posted by mirkarimi on Apr. 06, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

I understand that bicycles are supposed to be good for the environment but when they crash into pedestrians, it really sucks. Don't you think?

Posted by Guest on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 8:11 am

Blue Angels are WORTHY victims, and as such, they should not take personal responsibility for the consequences of their actions.

Those living in those homes were UNWORTHY victims and deserved to die.

Posted by marcos on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 9:21 am

Every year, like clockwork, the grinch makes his same plaintive whine.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 10:31 am

Global military spending 2009

USA: $800 billion
The rest of the world combined: $820 billion
Source: The Economist

If we have to keep propping up the military-industrial complex, much better to spend the money on air shows for entertainment purposes than keeping the quagimire in Afghanistan up and running.

Posted by Troll the XIV on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 1:07 pm

Not a blue angles flight and no one died!

Posted by Guest on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

Planes fly over San Francisco all the time -- passenger planes that don't attempt loops and barrel rolls and sharp dives and other aerobatics that are cool to watch but leave very, very little margin for error. Yes, the BA are top-level pilots -- but when you're doing what they do, it only takes a tiny screw up of man or machine to create a disaster over a major city.

That's why they don't typically do air shows over heavily populated areas. Planes at air shows crash fairly often.

Blue Angels pilots have, indeed, crashed.

You can't run a major city without transport, and cars, bikes, trains, buses all can and do hit and kill people. But that's necessary to make a city work. The Blue Angels are nothing but a recruiting show for the military that is neither necessary nor wise.

 

 

 

Posted by tim on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 5:09 pm

The city has no control over its airspace - airspace is controlled by the federal government. The city cannot force the US Air Force to do anything. This is a waste of time comparable to Tom Ammiano, when he was a supervisor, holding useless hearings on noisy helicopter flights - something, again, the city has absolutely ZERO control over.

Yours is a minority opinion on this issue. People, as a rule, love air shows and they love the Blue Angels. Fleet Week brings a lot of money to the city as well.

Posted by Troll II on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 5:31 pm

Have you ever seen the Blue Angels do a barrel roll over San Francisco? Didn't think so. They do them over the bay.

I'm not crazy about the air show myself. But I do enjoy seeing literally millions of people, mostly families, enjoying themselves.

Not an issue for you I guess.

Yes, I know. It's all fun until somebody gets hurt. And someone could lose an eye.

Posted by Troll on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 10:10 pm

Yes,,,I agree we have a bloated military,,,but still,,,we'll always need people that know how to blow crap up and fuck with folk that would fuck with us. If someone willingly and knowingly takes up the military for a vocation,,,more power to them. So tell me please why we shouldn't be proud of those who can fly those magnificent machines wing tip to wing tip.
No,,,don't accuse me of being a war mongerer or a right-wing-nut because I think our recent foreign policies suck pond water. I want our folk back from the sandboxes.
No matter what your politics are,,,the world is not a perfect place. We'll always need cops,,,we'll always need warriors. Get over it.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 07, 2012 @ 6:38 pm

If this were the case we should ban all radios period for those who hate loud noise. We should ban cars because they are involved in more crashes than aircraft are. We should ban alcohol again because drunk people often get hurt. We should work from home so life doesn't affect us. Oh and forget natural gas because look at San Bruno. If you spend more time finding things wrong with life you won't have time to live it. Things happen, get back up Thats The American Way

Posted by Guest on Apr. 08, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

If this were the case we should ban all radios period for those who hate loud noise. We should ban cars because they are involved in more crashes than aircraft are. We should ban alcohol again because drunk people often get hurt. We should work from home so life doesn't affect us. Oh and forget natural gas because look at San Bruno. If you spend more time finding things wrong with life you won't have time to live it. Things happen, get back up Thats The American Way

Posted by Guest on Apr. 08, 2012 @ 1:25 pm

You know it took Nixon to open China. It will take a Republican Supervisor to put an end to the Blue Angles shows. I think Scott Wiener is that Republican!

Posted by Guest NIBY on Apr. 09, 2012 @ 12:27 pm

Timmy just can't bring himself to respect our airmen and troops. He should move to somewhere they won't bother him -- say, North Korea.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 10, 2012 @ 12:41 pm

I can't stand the BA. Every year I have to deal with the windows in my apartment shaking, the ear-splitting screech of the jets overhead, and my pets freaking out at the noise. I wear earplugs during the week they practice, but it doesn't do much to drown out the noise. I find it obscene that huge amounts of money and resources are being wasted above while there are thousands of people living on the streets below. How does one justify such a waste of money on questionable "entertainment" when so many people can't even afford to eat, much less a place to live?

For those who say this is all in good fun, or accuse those who don't like it of being boring/uptight/liberal/anti-military, I ask how they can possibly think a major expenditure of money and resources used for the BA display is a good idea when our state government is cutting major services across the board.

While the air show may attract a crowd into the city for 2 days, it's hardly likely that it generates enough tax revenues from local businesses cover the additional security and city service costs needed for clean up.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 10, 2012 @ 10:48 pm

Notice the mention of telegraph hill - of all the neighborhoods in SF.
Think thats just a random call out?

This paper toes the line of the 1% as Napoleon peskin and the THD.

Posted by greg on Apr. 14, 2012 @ 9:15 am

I can't help but feel for people who have to live with this terror 24/7, year after year.

What are the planes really for, after all ? Think about it.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 14, 2012 @ 11:31 am

Here's an alternative reading of April 10th's comment.

I can't stand the (insert something other people like that you don't) Every year I have to deal with the (insert inconvinience that happens once a year in your life). I (insert "attempt" at ignoring the thing other people are interested to make yourself seem like you are trying to accomodate them). I find it obscene that huge amounts of money and resources are being wasted (on whatever the thing is you don't like but others do) while (insert concern which you feel more passionate about). How does one justify such a waste of money on (activity you don't like but millions of other people (not just those who attend) do) when (restate concern which interests you more).

Other people have hobbies and interests which may require me to modify my plans (Game Day traffic can be a bother) or be annoyed for a small fraction of a year, but that doesn't mean that they should be banned from their enjoyment, and it doesn't mean that I have to make a big deal of it. And when it comes to my hobbies and interests, I expect the same courtesy.

As for the money, cutting the funding of a few F-18s and their pilots won't suddenly free up a load of money to magically give everyone a place to live. The military budget is what it is... and if the Blue Angels go away, they'll just use the money for someting else, maybe some bombs or another jet with a less pretty paint job. Honestly, I like seeing them spend some money to show young people that hard work and precision can be amazing, or to inspire them to stay in school and become a pilot or aeronautical engineer, either military or civilian.

Okay, I'm done picking on you in particular.

As for the rest of the "Oh God, we're all in danger" crowd:
Planes are not the big scary "about to fall out of the sky at any moment" death machines that so many people are afraid of. Teenage girls texting while driving should be higher on the list of things which want to kill you today. That's coming from someone who lives right under the final approach path into the local airport. When a jet comes over, we just stop talking for a few seconds, look up and enjoy the sight of an engineering marvel, and resume the conversation when it passes. Nobody is SO important that they can't just shut up for a cumulitave day or two a year.

Do planes crash? Yep. Do cars crash? hell YES! Do people's houses burn down because of electrical fires? Sure do. Should cars be outlawed since I don't need one, and there is a possibility of one going "out of control" and coming through my living room? No. Should we ban the use of electricity in our homes because we have the slim chance of being harmed by it? I think you get the point.

You might die today. You can accept that or build a bunker, grab some Doritos, and isolate yourself from anything which has ANY chance of possibly harming you. And if airplanes make you so scared that you are living in "terror" every day, this is the wrong country for you. Powered flight was born here. Aviation serves ALL of us (not just in a military sense), regardless of whether or not you want to recognize it.

Posted by Guest on Apr. 20, 2012 @ 4:33 pm

Blue angels rule !!you b$@!%

Posted by Guest on Oct. 03, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

Blue angels are awesome so shut up you hater

Posted by Guest on Oct. 03, 2012 @ 3:25 pm

I am from the CRADLE OF AVIATION..... WE PROTECT YOU AND YOURS.... DOWN THE BLUES.... DOWN "YOU".... HAVE RESPECT FOR YOUR MILITARY.... the BLUE'S ARE THE BEST OF THE BEST....

Posted by Guest on Jan. 15, 2013 @ 2:13 pm