The worst archibishop ever

07.27.12 - 4:25 pm | Tim Redmond |

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As they say ... Jesus!

The new archbishop of San Francisco isn't just a conservative. All the bishops appointed by this pope are conservatives. The new guy overseeing the Catholic Church in one of the most socially liberal parts of the world is a genuine culture-warrior, someone who (literally) says that same-sex marriage is the work of the devil and who wanted to make the use of contraception a mortal sin.

Salvatore Cordileone also happens to be the father of Proposition 8. The East Bay Express, in an excellent profile, noted in 2009 that he

has cultivated one of the most theologically conservative worldviews imaginable. Especially when it comes to sexual matters, Bishop Sal is conservative and uncompromising.

What I hear through the Catholic rumor mill is that the Vatican folks who screen candidates for these jobs gave the pope a list of three names. He rejected them all and chose Cordileone.

So now the center of the crazy-looney-here-comes-the-devil branch of the Church has a powerful throne here in San Francisco. What this is going to do, of course, is drive gay people, and liberals, and moderates, and pretty much everyone who's sane to question why they even stay in the Catholic Church. And maybe, as one gay Catholic told me, that's exactly what Rome has in mind -- get rid of the malcontents and the thinkers until the Catholic Taliban is all that's left.

I suspect Bishop Sal is going to have some problems in his new assignment.

Comments

I prefer to avoid even the

I prefer to avoid even the appearance of cannibalism.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 9:43 pm

Catholics believe in the true presence...not Cannibailism.

So, this just proves my earlier point that the public in general, are very ignorant when it comes to Catholicism, and shouldn't make judgments about theology they don't understand. Sorry Marcos, my intention is not to hurt your feelings, but to set the record straight. Catholics believe in the
True Presence of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist.

Posted by MaryK on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 10:08 pm

In other news: there is a

In other news: there is a segment of archbishops who endorse public nudity, sexual orgies, worship of idols... Flim at eleven. Geesh, what don't you people understand about religion?

Posted by StevenTorrey on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 8:24 am

Archbishops prefer to molest

Archbishops prefer to molest altar boys and cover up that molestation, although some clergy are known to participate in public nudity, sexual orgies and worship of idols.

As a matter of fact, the Medici Popes were quite licentious as well, this is nothing new.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 10:43 am

err

I always feel odd about defending religion, even in an off hand way, but the vast majority of Catholic priests don't molest children.

The history of the popes is of course quite sordid, but it's 2012, the rules today are pretty obvious... Why anyone believes in a god after, evolution, geology, astronomy, etc... became hard sciences is beyond me.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 11:39 am

"vast majority of Catholic priests don't molest children"

Oh yes, we can certainly "pray" that is true -- and maybe even float it as a guess -- but once again Matlock, you are stating as fact something for which there is no evidence.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 12:11 pm

Lillipublican

Takes the NAMBLA obsessed screamers view on things.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 7:30 pm

I like how you have taken the

all gays are members on NAMBLA argument. so good. Such a great argument coming from a "liberal."

Posted by matlock on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 7:39 pm

You like how your lies sound; and can't stop

yourself from making more of them, apparently. Mind you, I'm just working under the assumption that you aren't really such a dumb fuck as you'd have to be to believe that garbage.

Posted by lillipublicans on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 7:51 pm

Actually you are wrong

Particularly in the case of the church in Ireland. You need to read the government report on the monstrous creature the church became in the decades after the civil war - a veritable factory of molestation, severe physical abuse and even death for he children it was placed in charge of. Generations were scarred by that the Irish Catholic church, which controlled everything in Ireland after independence and without which no political decision could be made. I'm one of that generation. I suffered through it - it was the rare priest or nun who was NOT a abuser of some sort. Abuse was the norm, not the exception.

This is fact, not conjecture.

Posted by Ex-Catholic on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 12:16 pm

Choosy Archbishops choose teen prick.

Okay, you're correct. Four out of five Archbishops surveyed who do molest prefer to molest young nubile altar boys.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 2:51 pm

Catholics believe in the Hard Sciences and Faith simultaneously

Err..just in case you were not aware....
Catholics believe in the hard sciences as well as faith.
I'm wondering why people like you are not aware of this.
Is this news to you?

Posted by Rhianna on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 10:28 pm

I am aware of it

The majority of Catholics accept evolution and all of that. The odd thing about accepting all of that hard science is, I wonder why anyone would believe in a god.

Posted by matlock on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 10:36 am

Catholics believe in the Hard Sciences such as Evolution, etc...

Matlock, I'm wondering why you think that Catholics do not believe in the Hard Sciences? It sounds as if you are confusing Catholics with Evangelicals. We believe in all of the Hard Sciences and we believe in God.

Posted by MadeleineM on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 11:31 pm

Myopia

Whining about the new archbishop from secular sources will accomplish nothing.oFo ahead and waste your energy.

The fact that this post totally ignores Cordileone's record with the poor, with prisoners, advocacy for those of us unborn, and with immigrant families shows that "progressive" in many circles is concerned mainly with sexual ideas.

Meanwhile, there's a whole world of need outside your bedroom..

Posted by Singing Mum on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 11:52 am

Agree with Myopia

I agree with Myopia. However, I am not a religious person in any sense. The negative posts on this page are not progressive at all. They sound like a lot of angry people who have made generalizations about Catholics. This is called religious persecution folks. Most of these comments are from people who are fixated on the "media" hype of scandals in the Church. The media has fixated on them as well, and people are simply making robotic judgments and not thinking for themselves.
Even though I am not religious, the Catholic individuals that I personally know are the most profound contributors to humanitarian causes. I think a deep love and respect for all regardless of their Religion is needed.

Posted by Santa Cruzer on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 5:06 pm

The Catholic church has made it rich on SF real estate and

now they can afford to tell the local folk "go hang."

Posted by lillipublicans on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 12:08 pm

Cordileone

Thanks for covering the local "Taliban", Tim...Remember the 'Frogman
Case'? ...when the second Nazi Pope said "calla te" to the Nicaraguans
chanting "Queremos paz" and SF was home base for the drug kingpins the
feds waging war on medical cannabis returned coke profits to in order
to fund the contra death squads and the murder of Ben Linder and
10,000s more? The scene from The Godfather where blacks are targeted
w/ heroin was replayed in real life here (in Gary Webb's Dark
Alliance) when Danillo Blandon told Rafael Cornejo to "get involved in
the black thing" for the racist purposes still playing out here...It's
obvious why the third Nazi Pope would need a true reactionary in the
city of St Francis to keep a lid on things...One person's religion is
another's belly laugh so never mind my hippy vegetarianism but as the
son of an abandoned child I must note that when having children is a
function of wanting them, all children will be wanted.

Posted by gregfromtracks on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 12:20 pm

Sorry to hear you are a son of an abandond child

That must be a hard life.

Posted by Kelley on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 10:47 pm

Not An Issue, If You Don't Subscribe To His Teachings

I am sure I do not share many views with Archbishop Cordileone, but then again I do not belong to the Catholic Church (even though I was raised Catholic).

Are the Archbishop's views prejudiced and silly? Yes. But, if you don't agree with him, then do not join the Catholic Church, or if you are a member, choose to practice your faith as your conscience dictates and disobey his teachings.

Individuals such as the Archbishop, only have as much authority as all the rest of us choose to give them. The Archbishop is free to believe what he chooses; however misguided he may be. The rest of us are free to ignore him. I simply have better things to do with my time and energy than waste it worrying about someone like Archbishop Cardileone.

So, he is a bigot? So be it. He is a dinosaur, and his views will go extinct with him.

Posted by Chris on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 5:03 pm

The Church fears No Heresy

The Church fears No Heresy because she is founded on the solid rock of Saint Peter... and the rest of Catholic pep-talk which you already know. If not, google is your friend.

In her course of 2000 years of history, the Church has seen Tons and tons of heresy. Some get recycled, others came newly about. But at the end of the day, the Nicene creed still stands. The Tridentine Mass still stands. You can say that it has diminished and you may even be delusional in thinking that Catholics are declining... but at the end of the day, the heresy which you gladly admit in your comment is exactly that. An un-orthodox teaching which you want to insist on the Church---which you mistakenly claim to be one of democracy.... it's not. So join the Episcopalians.

They even baptize and give funeral rites for pets now. The people over there don't fear heresy, they WELCOME AND EMBRACE IT and all the while spit at Christ and traditional biblical teachings.

If the shoe fits, wear it. Heretic.

Posted by Graham on Jul. 28, 2012 @ 7:37 pm

The Church fears heresy,

The Church fears heresy, otherwise it would not need to impose the structures of control to indoctrinate and punish dissent. The current hitler youth pope used to head the inquisition and was close to serial pederast and sperm donor Marcial Maciel.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 8:21 am

The Catholic Church does not fear heresy

In fact, the church does not impose anything on anyone. Catholics are fun loving, God loving people who make choices for themselves in freedom.

The lack of understanding and pure ignorance in these Anti-Catholic posts reflect only on the writers and their dour perspectives on life. The individuals who have posted all oft these negative perceptions of the Church sound like people who have lived sheltered, one dimensional lives.

God is good!

Posted by -Awake amidst the hatred of these anti-Catholic posts on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 5:16 pm

Sorry if you see my posts as

Sorry if you see my posts as anti-Catholic, they are not. I oppose all monotheistic religions, especially the ones with three gods.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

Marcos is Anti-Catholic and illogical

Monotheistic means one God- Not three.
I am not Catholic but I know people who are. They believe in One God.
I learned this from my World Religions course at a State University in CA.

Posted by CarolinaSweet on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 10:45 pm

Yahweh is the one god of the

Yahweh is the one god of the monotheistic religions of Jerusalem. Neither Islam nor Judiasm have any other gods, while Christianity has three gods, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, one plus one plus one equals three gods. I learned that in ciphering class.

To top things off, Catholics practice mock cannibalism with one of those three gods via wine and crackers.

Posted by marcos on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 5:53 am

Thanks you Grand Inquisitor Graham

If we needed further evidence of the evil strain of self-righteousness which runs through Catholicism we need look no further than Grand Inquisitor Graham's ridiculous statement here. All we need as an accompaniment is the creaking of the breaking wheel and the screams of the accused.

Posted by Ex-Catholic on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

Speaking the Moral truth is not Self-Righteous.

That is what you liberals, progressives and atheists don't get... and will never understand. Your concept is one of moral relativism. A shake of disposal of the Natural Law which has ordained nature from its inception. You think everything is changeable, workable and bendable to the human whims on the sacrifice of progressive mentality!

How wrong and delusional you think people will fall for your years of lies. You have corrupted the Roman Catholic Church since the Second Vatican Council and now you are upset and angry that we have a Pope who will stand by sound Catholic doctrine and drive you heretics and schismatics back into the fold of condemnation!

To speak the Truth, in God, in Jesus and in the Holy MAGISTERIUM of the Roman Catholic Church is not self-righteousness. Your double-sided hypocrisy and intolerance against those who have a different view than yours is clearly showing to America. You want to quote separation of Church and State?

Listen! You will never be able to separate Morality from the basic unit of society, a family made of a Good Mother and a Good Father who were chosen by God to leave the basic unit of society on the fundamental history not just of Christianity, but any religion and civilization since to date regardless of how immoral you choose to become. Give your anger and pain to God. He loves you even though you have chosen to willingly reject Him and his mercy. Vade Retro Satana.

Posted by Graham on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 2:30 pm

You sound like a follower of Marcel Lefebvre

In all actuality you are the heretic here. It is not an option for a practicing Catholic to reject the reforms of Vatican II. Hopefully the Congregatio pro Doctrina Fidei will investigate you next. Heretic.

Posted by Ex-Catholic on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 3:45 pm

Wrong! I am not an SSPX

Wrong! I am not an SSPX member, nor do I reject Vatican II. You accusing me to be a member of SSPX truly shows how low you liberal deviants get just so you can demonize people who stand for the Roman Catholic Church.

And while we're on the topic of Heresy, the Second Vatican Council never ruled that Homosexuality or Homosexual Marriage be approved or sanctioned. Spreading lies is not what Jesus taught. Thou Shall not Bear False Witness against thy neighbour.

But I will give you a little extra icing on the cake. I SURE sympathize with the SSPX and their cause. I am also inclined that Bishop Cordileone agrees with this theological position.

Get with God you Atheist Heretic. Get Behind Satan!

Posted by Graham on Aug. 01, 2012 @ 9:33 pm

If God were to come DOWN TODAY ... Religion would end TOMORROW

Jason Grant Garza here ... God's GREATEST command was to LOVE one another. If Father, was to come from heaven today ... Religion would end tomorrow.

Not the belief in God but the belief that PRIESTS know best. God does not harm those who question with sincerity and love in their heart ... rather as a child of God with TRUE BELIEF ... the LORD speaks to all who hear.

Now as to the part of the CHURCH and SAME SEX MARRIAGE ... read up on John Boswell.

Remember Matthew 19:6 ... Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

For ANYONE who has HAS the GRACE of GOD and his eternal blessings in a SOUL MATE ... we realize, know and do NOT question the GREATEST GIFT is that which we have no understanding, merit nor worth ... just the LOVE of a father who creates everlasting LOVE.

For those who are SOUL MATES, TRULY and ALWAYS IN LOVE ... everyone can see GOD'S work ... for those who suffer in relationships, love affairs and false concepts ... Close their hearts and their eyes in their suffering and misery. For those who have GOD and his gifts ... no amount of fear, no amount of hate, no amount of DEATH will separate for GOD has UNITED them (soul mates).

Fear not the DOMINION of MAN ... it is BRIEF, UGLY and UNGODLY. In GOD'S dominion ... LOVE, JUSTICE, HONOR, VALOR, COMPASSION, and FORGIVENESS exist ... all by the GRACE of GOD.

Posted by Jason Grant Garza on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 6:55 am

The Archbishop

Finally some one to save us from our sinful selves and guide us into eternal salvation through the one true church.
If this guy doesn't cure us of our need to follow those with a medieval from of reference, an organization that systematically protects pedophiles and condemns the victims of their collective crime, well we need to get our heads out of our catechisms and get off the cross.

Posted by Guest Doctor Dark on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 6:24 pm

Keep Your Noses Out of Our Sex Lives

And your dicks out of our children.

The Catholic Church at this moment has about the same amount of moral authority as the Penn State football program.

Go, Sisters of P.I., go. You've been given a golden opportunity for some serious religious/ethical teaching.

Posted by sfmike on Jul. 29, 2012 @ 9:52 pm

One day someone is going to

One day someone is going to go violent against one of the priests. And they know it. I've seen the fear in their eyes when they now see members of the public who do not appear to be typical Catholics (ie.older Latina women). What kind of Church is this?

Posted by Guest Charley_sf on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 1:23 pm

MAYBE A BLESSING IN DISGUISE

The notion the the rcc is a force for Good in the world just boggles the mind!! Force for Good??? Child molestation, mortal sins, rejection of our sexual natures as social primates, and separation of anyone who doesn't think like they do; doesn't worship the way they do; doesn't believe everything they do - Good???

What planet are you living on? How big the blinders must be in front of your eyes for you to be able to write such a ludicrous statement! I only hope the day comes when the rcc taliban and taliban taliban take up arms against each others' ridiculous ideologies and nuke each other into oblivion! That would be a day worth living to see!!

Of course, maybe the revolution in the archbishop's office (via the pope) will spawn a real revolution among the good and intelligent people of this wonderful city and get them all to leave such arcane religiosities in favor of participating in the human endeavor to evolve; to be better than we have been, rather than worse!

Vive la Revolucion!!!

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 2:05 pm

Catholic Church is force for good in the World and a Blessing

I agree with earlier posts and comments about how splendid and wonderful the Church, our God, and our faith is.

It is my observation that the Catholic Church is a tremendous Force for Good in the world.

It's faithful followers are good and intelligent people of this wonderful city. Religiosity is a beautiful thing.

I'm sorry if this is hurtful to you, but if you are wondering why people ignore all of your posts it is because your writing contains only human constructs...thoughts that are limiting.

The most important revolution is the one that goes on in the human heart and the beautiful gifts that can be shared by a person who has been transformed by Christ's love. I will pray for you my friend.

Viva Cristo Rey! En nombre de Jesus Cristo, Satan ser ido!

Posted by Guest1 on Jul. 31, 2012 @ 9:35 pm

Archbishop Cordileone

What an exchange of uncharitable thoughts and accusations! Given his record on human rights issues this does seem like a poor choice in church leadership. However, we can, and must, pray that this new Archbishop (and any number of other prelates) will turn his heart around and lovingly support all his flock both straight and gay. It may take some doing, but seems to be more productive a focus than the above diatribes of hate and territorially defined claims over what, or who, is or is not Catholic.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

Archbishop

Sounds to me that he has the necessary qualifications and moral accuity to manage the Church's program aimed at kids...Its called No Child's Behind Left.

Posted by Guest on Jul. 30, 2012 @ 5:03 pm