About the Mirkarimi poll

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It's no suprise that lawyers for suspended Sheriff Ross Mirkarimi are calling a recent poll biased. The poll, paid for by a group of local women, many of whom have been in the forefront of the efforts to remove Mirkarimi from office, found that 61 percent of people wanted the sheriff ousted. More significant, it broke the results down for the supervisorial districts where there are contested elections; the goal, of course, was to put pressure on the supes to support the mayor's removal efforts.

But nobody has published the actual questions in the poll -- although I got a call from Greg Kamin, a San Francisco resident who was among those contacted by the robo-poll, and he said it was unusual, to say the least.

"In a normal push poll, they ask you your opinion first, then give you information to see if it changes your view," he told me. "In this one, there was just a barrage of negative information first, before they asked a single question."

One question went more or less like this: Which factors would most convince you the sheriff should be removed -- the fact that he pled guilty to false imprisonment, the fact that the Ethics Commission ruled against him, the fact that he was involved in domestic violence, or the fact that he's on probation?

"There was no way to answer the question that didn't say you wanted him removed," Kamin said.

Given the way the poll was structured, Kamin told me, "it's surprising Mirkarimi got as much support as he did."

Worth considering.

Also worth considering: For all the talk about domestic violence and zero tolerance and the need to remove the sheriff, there's been very little discussion about the impacts on the people in the county jail -- who are overwhelmingly African American and Latino. It makes a difference who the sheriff is. Someone who really believes in rehabilitation and wants to treat inmates in a decent, humane way can change lives -- and radically improve public safety in a state with a 70 percent recidivism rate.

Again: Just something that ought to be part of the discussion.

 

Comments

Yes, I see the relevance of an online poll in which one can enthusiastically vote as many times as one wants. And considering you have no job and this issue has come to dominate your entire existence (you actually made me feel sympathy for Ross Mirkarimi when I read how you bothered him at the grocery store) I'm sure you spent a good part of your day clicking and clicking and clicking in support of Ross.

I'd urge you to research how polls are conducted and what methodology is used to create the poll vs. crowing about the results of an Internet poll which has as much validity as an election in North Korea.

Posted by Troll II on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 12:18 pm

the totally bogus "second" poll which -- unlike the recent bogus poll -- *never* had its methodology or statistics released in *any* form on *any* website, but *now* you want to be all "scientific."

Troll II, you disgust me. (I know I'm just giving you want you want by saying so.)

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 12:44 pm

or clicking endlessly on Internet polls so you can trumpet their results? In other words - doing what you usually do.

You are a stone-cold freak. A representative of the kind of rent controlled- dingy studio dwelling San Francisco that in another decade will be just another sadly faded memory.

Posted by Troll II on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 1:01 pm

Notice the preoccupation with stalking. She once called Tim Redmond a stalker because he suggested that celebrities pay their fair share of taxes. In all likelihood, she's the real stalker. So far, she can't stay away from any prog who dares to post here. Tim, Greg, Christine Craft, Lillipublican have all been accused of stalking by this perverse individual whose real name is Esther Rabinowitz (unless she made that up, too). What is this obsessive compulsions with tearing down the progs who post here? Should we be afraid? She's been getting away with this offensive behavior for far too long. Time to out this coward for who she is.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

Please. She's alone and sad since Lucretia passed away...

Posted by Troll II on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 5:36 pm

"How about that SFGate poll which shows two-thirds support for the (temporarily) ousted sheriff?"

Yes, Mr. Publicans, that SFGate poll is quite interesting.

I just voted on it 25 times myself. Just shut down cookies from SFGate and you can vote all day long. I might write a script and get Mirkarimi approval to 90%! It worked for Buster Posey and Pablo Sandoval in the All Star voting also.

On the other polls you demanded that they make all of the sample data and demographics available.

They don't (they can't) do this in the SFGate poll but you like it anyway.

Could you possibly be any more hypocritical???

If I wait a few hours I'll probably get a surprising answer.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

Idiot. No cookies = no tabulation. You should have masturbated instead.

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 12:33 pm

Mr. Publicans:

Regarding you statement:

"Idiot. No cookies = no tabulation. You should have masturbated instead."

Do you just make stuff up at random? Who told you this was true? I want to know because I think it is cruel to trick the simple minded.

See if you can follow this, Mr. Publican:

1) Vote
2) Remove cookies
3) Vote again

Or did you not notice that Pablo Sandoval started at 3rd base in the All-Star game. Another online poll.

OK, now make something else up. Go ahead. Have fun.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 1:17 pm

Don't feel too bad for him - he makes these mistakes all the time. His MO is to throw some outlandish statement or claim out there and then hope no one calls him on it. It always fails but he never loses hope that one day he'll succeed.

Posted by Troll II on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 3:15 pm

... on the other hand, I just checked, and the results haven't changed appreciably since you promised to fudge them. Is it possible that the only way for the poll to be "fixed" is for the SFGate IT crew to get in there and do it?

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 7:07 pm

Marcos:
""""Ross is not white""

Why do you say that? Oh, yes, because he had an Iranian-American father.

So, Republican George Dukmejian was California's first minority governor then.

Gotta give the Republican party credit for busting the race barrier in the state of California.

Persians/Aremenians/other "non-milky-milky-whites" are not whites.

Thank you, Marcos. I learn something every day from you.

Posted by Troll the XIV on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 3:13 pm

No matter how you slice and dice this poll, Mirkarimi was elected by the people of San Francisco. To remove him because of this incident based on a rather sketchy law is not acceptable. And I say that as someone who thinks he was an awful supervisor who epitomized everything wrong with SF progressivism on every important issue.

Let the voters remove him from office, not the mayor or the board of supervisors. If the domestic violence harpies want to pay for a recall election, so be it. Otherwise we should leave it for voters at the next election to decide whether to dump him or not.

Posted by Rob Anderson on Aug. 23, 2012 @ 3:41 pm

The voters did not know or realize when they voted for him that he was a wife abuser and control freak. With this new information, it is clear that the voters want Ross gone, which is why Lee's approval ratings continue to rise.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:16 am

women commit 50% of all domestic violence, but men are arrested when the police are called, so it goes unreported.

Posted by tinkle on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 5:47 am

I'm not sure I'd call it an act of abuse, but it was certainly snide.

Her plan failed because she didn't realize that it would cost Ross his job, and therefore her payday. So now she has to "play nice" with Ross in the hope that his income is restored.

Then I expect we'll see the divorce.

Posted by ChrisCraft on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 6:35 am

We all know Christine wouldn't write something like this. Get a life, imp...and some dignity, honor and self respect while you're at it.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:22 pm

I cannot agree with ChrisCraft on this one.

It was not plot gone terribly awry. It was a publicity ploy to draw more attention to her upcoming movie being made in Venezuela.

Posted by Corvus Conriix on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 7:04 am

on what she perceived to be an upcoming divorce/custody/alimony battle. She just quite simply did not understand the ramifications of taking such a devious route.

But then, if Ross hadn't given her an entry point, none of this could have gone down anyway.

Posted by Greg on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 7:58 am

Her divorce strategy has certainly got he a lot of publicity in the Venezuelan popular press (El Diario Popular, the National Enquirer equivalent, for example), and I think this was the plan all along.

She wants her divorce, a spike in her movie career, and her son's custody all in one go.

Posted by Corvus Conriix on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 8:13 am

Ross's actions as decisive and dignified without losing track of the fact that Eliana, even though clearly angling for a favorable divorce, was in need of direction and - let's be fair here - a firm hand.

I believe we can rescue this sad situation by mindlessly supporting Ross while taking JCCourt's approach of discreditting DV activists as fat, ugly, pawns of the evil Mayor Lee.

Posted by Lillipublicans on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 12:30 pm

SFBG must really hate its commenters to put up with this abuse.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:47 pm

The self declared "DV" advocates led by Upton (never had a sexual relation with a man) as not letting go. They got their pound of flesh now they want the rest.

These people have done more damage to Feminism that I thought possible. I used to be very sympathetic to these groups: never again. I have seen their faces and what I see turns my stomach.

Upton and co may create false polls and ruin this man. But they have shown us all their true agenda: destroying families. Face it by their own admission they don't believe a "man; woman; children" family is right. They are out to destroy it and have been since radical Feminism was born. Thank God they are so deluded that they think others don't notice. From now I will oppose all their initiatives including VAWA.

Posted by Avkanediv on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 10:27 am

women, and no man in their right mind would date them, let alone see them worthy of abuse. Mirk stands tall as a giant among such heartless harlots and hussies.

Posted by JCCourt on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 12:21 pm

I am not saying all DV advocates are as you said. I am saying that there is a particular group with Upton as their face who are over the top. Yes there are people who want to do goo. Some actually do good; others are a mix and some are just plain misguided. This group is not misguided. It is malicious. Whether they physically ugly or not does not matter. Their hearts stink.

Posted by Avkanediv on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 2:07 pm

There is a darkness about these women, these horrible domestic violence advocates like Big Butt Upton - you can feel it. I have sat in on the hearings and I know because I've witnessed it. When Eliana and Ross walk in it's as if they are borne along on a carpet of beautiful, white, electrifying light - it makes the DV women turn away in fear and rage, they skulk around the edges like they're Orks faced with the power of Gandalf's glowing scepter. Watching the elegant and gorgeous Eliana stand with Ross was similar to what I imagine one of the wise men (I consider myself quite wise although I am a woman) felt in seeing the Virgin Mary and baby Jesus stand with Joseph as they faced Pharaoh's murderous hordes (who are so similar to the DV women in SO many ways).

This family, the beautiful family of Ross and Eliana, have been through so much. Why do these hideous DV women want to try and cause them more harm? As a women myself I cannot understand it.

Posted by JCCourt on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 2:33 pm

What the heck does the way people look like have to do with anything?!
Seriously JCCourt, your comments are both vulgar and idiotic.

Posted by GuestOfNoOne on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 3:36 pm

It's most likely Troll II imping Court. We should challenge Tim and the owners of SFBG to ban this imposter once and for all.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:44 pm

Seriously, have you ever seen an attractive DV advocate or activist? I know that I haven't. Half of them are probably lesbians and the other half would welcome some abuse just to get some/any attention.

I'm sorry, but I truly believe that our gorgeous Ross is being undermined by these witches of mediocrity and malice. Will nobody else speak up in the name of truth?

Posted by JCCourt on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 1:12 am
:-)

We have a marvelous group of fellow imps imping their way to infamy today. Fight on brother!

Posted by Imp on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 9:37 am

commenters on this site. Might be time to do a bit of IP address blocking.

Posted by guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 2:47 pm

I imp all the time. Imping is fun. We imps will no longer be silenced or have our imp rights denied. We are busting out of the imp closet en masse. We are imps!! Some of us are imp gimps! Hear our imp roar!!!

Posted by Imp on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 3:24 pm

She's been getting away with her imping for years. It's a sad comment that this paper has put up with her this long.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:30 pm

Should be cause for banning people. If you don't have the guts to post as your self then don't bother posting.

Posted by Avkanediv on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:31 pm

Just temporary handles.

And IP addresses are useless in a mobile wi-fi zone. If SFBG bans an IP, there will be no access to SFBG from libraries, starbucks and other public places.

Everyone should sign on as Guest so we can focus on the message, not the messenger

Posted by Guest on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 1:09 am

I agree one good solution is to have all the names be "guest". It is best to have the site automatically do that.

Posted by Avkanediv on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 9:08 am

Sad to think some crazy homeless person at a library computer might be the source of so much malignancy on this forum; posting pro-corporate claptrap and imping their intellectual betters. Sad to think such behavior might make it advantageous -- on balance -- to ban forum contributions from library computers. But is that really likely? -- or, again, on balance -- a compelling reason to not take action?

Maybe it's some bozo at Starbucks. Fine. Ban whichever IP addresses from which the problems emanate.

Perhaps a message can be displayed to anyone attempting to post from those banned IP addresses as to the timing and character of offensive posts, so that self-policing of those addresses can be a possibility.

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 9:10 am

poster who is mobile, which most are these days, would simply make the SFBG website unavailable to a large number of locations.

That's a much worse problem than the one you're trying to solve, i.e. the problem of free speech.

Why not just focus on the message, rather than the messenger?

Posted by Guest on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 4:32 pm

Imping others *deprives* them of their First Amendment rights; you are *forcing* them to speak words which they have the constitutional right to no be forced to say. Asshole.

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 5:08 pm

your rights have been violating?

You're the one seeking to impose censorship and restricting free speech.

Clearly SFBG don't support you or they'd be blocking half the IP addresses in the city. Censorship is a worse sin than inp'ing.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 26, 2012 @ 8:59 am

Every time the dsl modem is turned off and then on again it gets a new IP address.

try it yourself.

http://whatismyipaddress.com/

good lord.

Posted by matlock on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 6:39 pm

He wants to shut down access to SFBG across broad swathes of the city just so he never gets imp'ed.

But if he wasn't such a dickwad, nobody would bother imp'ing him anyway. Secretly I think he sees it as a compliment, as if it means he is actually worth the trouble.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 26, 2012 @ 9:01 am

that your impostering *is* in one sense complimentary to those who you are subjecting yourself to. On the other hand, because you are such a low and debased form of life, the compliment is relatively meaningless.

Posted by lillipublicans on Aug. 26, 2012 @ 10:01 am

But the whole point of "progressive politics" is about names, people, who you know. If we just stick to actual progressive issues rather than petty playground popularity, where would people like lillipublicans and marcos be?

Posted by Guest on Aug. 26, 2012 @ 8:50 pm

An impostor was having a little fun at my expense today. Hopefully the SFBG will find a way to rectify this problem. Thanks.

Isn't it interesting that whomever finance a poll get the results that they are paying for. Thanks.

Posted by jccourt on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:36 pm

"An impostor was having a little fun at my expense today. Hopefully the SFBG will find a way to rectify this problem. Thanks."

Don't bet on it. They could care less about their readers.

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 4:49 pm

Who also posts under the names "coppersmom" and "Dootise." So far she has four monikers here - Christine is imping herself and now she's being imped. Imping is the people's justice meted out to those who post the same thing again and again using different aliases. We will not be dissuaded from imping those who disrespect this forum by using multiple logons. We will continue to imp. You will not know if what you're reading is imped or not. We are here. We are imps. Some of us are imp gimps. Hear our roar!

Posted by Imp on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 5:30 pm

And you are welcome, Christie.

Posted by Corvus Conrix on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 10:44 am

Why do I feel like i'm back in junior high school whenever I visit this site?

Posted by Guest on Aug. 24, 2012 @ 6:00 pm

Overgrown hippies lecturing underdeveloped gullibles

Posted by Guest on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 1:07 am

In a perfect world: nothing. But in the real world a lot. Face it the way we look affects how we are treated. The way people are treated affects their thinking. A very pretty woman sees men working hard to please her. Sadly an unattractive woman is often ignored or even poorly treated by men. This spills into how young women treat one another. The "pretty girl " high school cliques do not allow less glamorous women in.

This will in turn cause anger and complexes which are manifested in destructive ways. At their worst they twist the mind and make the victim boiling with hate. Result is what you see in some DV advocates.

Posted by Avkanediv on Aug. 25, 2012 @ 9:15 am