The fallout from Twitter continues


San Francisco has never been able to do big-scale economic redevelopment without displacement of existing residents and businesses, and the "revitalization" of mid-Market is turning out to be another case in point. Rents are going up all over the neighborhood (as well as other parts of Market Street) as the second tech boom roars into San Francisco. And now it's having an impact on a community-based theater-development plan -- and potentially on even the more established theaters in the area.

According to J.K. Dineen (the best real-estate reporter in town) at the Business Times, a proposal by the North of Market Neighborhood Improvement Corp. and American Conservatory Theater to turn a stretch of boarded-up storefronts into an arts and performance center with housing and retail is falling apart -- because one of the property owners has decided that the parcel is too valuable now.

You can't get the whole article without subscribing (which I do, mostly to read Dineen's stuff), but the summary is here.

Basically, a Texas landlord was willing to sell the property a year ago at a price the folks at ACT could afford -- but now that the Twitter tax break has driven up real-estate values, the Lone Star Fund is having second thoughts and has dropped out of negotiations. So a plan that Mayor Ed Lee and Sup. Jane Kim were supporting that had the potential to do something good that wasn't just tech jobs in Mid-Market isn't going to happen.

The director of ACT is nervous:

In a letter to Mayor Lee, A.C.T. Executive Director Ellen Richard said she is worried that as companies such as Twitter, Square and Dolby relocate to Mid-Market, the arts groups that have long been housed in the neighborhood will be priced out. “If a sizable organization like the A.C.T. can’t afford these new market rents, then what chances do smaller organizations have?”

Not much.



of all the drug dealers, porn shops, pawn shops, and the strip clubs- where ever will they go? For all the whining on the twitter deal and mid- market revitalization- I would love to see some sort of a plan from the naysayers here.

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 4:13 pm

"For all the whining..."

That's rich, coming from the Professional Whiner.

Yeah, you would know all about whining wouldn't you since it's your hobby, Hypocrite. You do two things on this site: Right-wing Trolling and Whining.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:28 pm

pointing out the irony that abounds here.

Posted by D. native on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:03 pm
Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:18 pm

You nailed it - that dummy must be the most annoying person to have in any family or organization. I'll bet his own mother finds him annoying (if he didn't kill her from being such a pain-in-the-ass). My bad fortune find him needing to leave the area soon.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 2:21 pm

Of course that last sentence should read: May bad fortune find him needing to leave the area soon.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 2:29 pm
Posted by D. Native on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 2:55 pm

I'm impressed! What confidence! No nothing bad could happen to such a nice asshole like you!

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:16 pm

I hear that Twitter is considering moving to Farmville...

Posted by marcos on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:23 pm

What do you have against pawn shops?

Posted by C. SINGS on Nov. 14, 2012 @ 8:47 am

What do you have against pawn shops?

Posted by C. SINGS on Nov. 14, 2012 @ 8:55 am

which he doesn't recognize in himself; a perfect bigot.

See? D'Native is some sort of accomplished (in narrow fashion) tech guy who makes wads of money; got raised up in a upper-middle class world we're he was sheltered from working class folks -- i.e., the type who have no credit and if a bit short on rent have to collateralize a loan at one of the establishments that "cater" to them that way. (For no good reason naturally; just to keep from having to spend a night in a doorway -- for which D'Native has another even more "grand" answer.)

Are you a pawn broker? Just another kind of bankster; I don't play favorites.

Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 14, 2012 @ 9:13 am

You and your instincts are totally off. Don't work in tech- though I do work. I make decent money but nothing obscene. Certainly wasn't raised upper middle class- probably would even consider it lower middle class and I have pretty good credit- oh and I am a home owner in SF.

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 15, 2012 @ 3:17 pm

...if only San Francisco could be just like Detroit - then the American Conservatory Theater could pick up the boarded-up storefronts for effectively nothing.

Posted by Demented, Yet Terribly, Terribly Persistent on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 4:15 pm

Good One!

Posted by christopher Guest on Nov. 13, 2012 @ 5:46 pm


The similarities between their political approach on the local level and the Fox News approach on the national level are ironically similar. Complete and total inability to understand what is taking place outside their echo chamber.

Posted by Lurker on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 4:54 pm

and predicted its doom when it first began service. They opposed the Yerba Buena Arts Center and the Moscone Center too - calling them "boondoggles."

That shows you how accurate their forecasting is. Tim Redmond and Steven Jones are no Nate Silver.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 5:12 pm

They're right about the inevitable displacement, though. You can't argue that these projects don't come without real human costs.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 5:23 pm

You can't stop progress!

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 6:41 pm

Economic development is not necessarily progress.

Posted by marcos on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 6:46 pm

I thought it represented public transportation.

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 7:28 pm

is good for society Marcos. Please - fill everyone in. Christina Olague reappointed you to the CAC - YOU'RE the one who should be telling US :-)

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 1:06 am

BART might be a bastard wide gauge railroad but it is OUR bastard wide gauge railroad. Design choices should have been different, economic equity should have been different but it is what we've got and we've got to deal with it. The Central Subway likewise is nominally a good idea but the design choices made are truly appalling.

It is not like I do or as it will soon turn out, did, the telling on the CAC, I try to identify the center of gravity where progressive values intersect with common sense and run from there. I've not been unsuccessful at building those coalitions amongst a broad diversity of opinion but the MTA Board always rejects those expressions with which staff disagrees.

Posted by marcos on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 8:09 am get more commuters to the beginning-to-be-Manhattanized downtown San Francisco. Of course it was about economic development.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 13, 2012 @ 7:54 am

Only the SFBG would make a claim like that.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 13, 2012 @ 8:54 am

...Porpoise Spit!"

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

You got the reference :-)

Posted by Troll II on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:32 pm

But remember that Muriel's father's repeated use of that inane phrase was a sign of his corruption. Mindless promotion of "progress" at whatever cost is the problem here.

Posted by Hortencia on Nov. 13, 2012 @ 7:52 am

is a "displacement" I can esily live with. Mid-Market needs investment, not NIMBY's.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 1:20 pm

thought process you've based on limited awareness, giving self-comfort to your smug world view.

Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 2:15 pm

What is your grand vision for fixing up mid-Maeket. Can we at least agree that in its current state,especially pre Twitter, it was/is a cesspool?

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 2:57 pm

They look at homeless guys shooting up drugs and hookers plying their trade as indicators of "diversity". Then they look at young people earning 100K pa or more in high tech and see nothing but "bores".

It's inverted snobbery - plain and simple

Posted by Guest on Nov. 12, 2012 @ 6:56 am

This is the sign of a vibrant city, thank you AGAIN Mayor Lee.

Independent / non-Broadway style theaters don't operate on a city's main drag. If the theaters are making that much money then they are probably not taking enough chances with their art. That is how off-Broadway was born in NYC.

You know what would be a great place for San Francisco's off-Broadway? Mission Street, just one block south of Market. It would add a second dimension to the area.

Meanwhile we have Twitter, Yammer and Square employing people in an area that has been a blight on the city for years. Ron Conway's group is working with local schools who can train our young people with exactly the skills they need to get good jobs in San Francisco when they graduate. How awesome is that?

Mayor Lee is the best!!! Every time I read one of these ridiculous rants by Tim Redmond I know that much better days are ahead thanks to the efforts of Mayor Lee!!!!!

Posted by Troll on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 5:25 pm

How long exactly is Twitter going to be around I'm wondering. There's nothing on there but bots and I've heard other people say the same thing. There doesn't seem to be any humans on it. I'm on there every morning and from what I can tell there's nothing on there but bots. I don't know how they stay in business at that rate. A friend of mine has a website and tries to promote it on Twitter but he says he gets zero response and that people don't click on anything anymore. (The same with Google's YouTube). And I had read not long ago that re-Twits are way down in number.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:33 pm

I work in an arm of venture capital. I'm certainlynot rich or powerful, just the basic employee. But I know enough to tell you Twitter is highly, highly successful. The amount they have been offered to go public is obscene, but they won't be doing that. Anyway, Twitter isn't about promoting small crappy businesses, Twitter is on a much different level. They have essentially revolutionized both news and any sort of Celebrity promotion. It has become a necessity to have a Twitter account for anybody who has any sort of large scale viewer or fan base

Posted by Lurker on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 9:45 pm

How does Twitter make its money?

Who makes the money for the company, the "executives" or the employees under the "executives?"

Do they tweet their ads? I never see Twitter advertizing anywhere.


P.S. I hear people mispronouncing the name of it all the time. They call it twit-er but then they say they send tweets. Why aren't they sending twits based on "twit-er" which is what they call it? A bird is the logo and birds don't twit, they tweet. So the name of it should be called tweeter, which is what I and my friends call it.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 10:36 pm

who can keep up with these blasted new-fangled gadgets?

all you need to remember is, when people post on Twitter, those are "tweets",
and when people post on the SFBG, those are "twits".

Posted by Snoozers on Nov. 09, 2012 @ 11:19 pm

even without the edifying clue of a snide "bon mot," we'd *have* to acknowledge that Twitter is an unalloyed boon to The City and society at large.

As a matter of fact, we should have more callow, narrowly educated, youths directing opinions; "really smart" people who are unencumbered by all that tiresome intellectual baggage that used to be thought of as wisdom.

That ability to focus upon and master some small facet of technology and the corollary capacity to develop an arrogant overarching demeanor is truly impressive and worthy of the utmost respect.

"Snoozers" reminds us: "Shut up and *listen* twits!"

Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 6:10 am

lol... 'lillipublicans' is casting aspersions on the veracity of 'lurker' and 'snoozers'.

Hey, if you don't think social networks have any benefit to society maybe you should talk to the guy who vandalized the muni bus the night the Giants won.

You know, the guy that the police caught through tips provided via Facebook?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 7:49 am

Gotta laugh at the pathetic sheeple who are too damned stupid to understand that they are being heavily data-mined by both corporate social networks, especially FB. After reading the Gawker article about Tweeter and knowing what I know about FB (and I've done a lot of research on it), both networks seem to be very slowly dying.

No one should have rioted after the Giants won the U.S. National Series in baseball, but I have a major problem with using corporatist social networks as a tool of the police state. That should concern everyone. That is getting into very dangerous territory. Orwell's 1984 comes to mind. Maybe you should read it when you're done laughing, child. Some people are willing to give up any and all rights to have the illusion of "safety" and "justice."

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:33 pm

What rights were violated? They were on a public street, what expectation of privacy did they have while they burned down a bus?

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 11, 2012 @ 7:35 am


It was a joke, lilli. I was just giving "Guest" a little grief about being so behind the times in popular social trends. I don't really know enough about the Twitter deal to even guess whether or not it's good for SF. I try not to voice strong opinions unless I feel fairly knowledgeable about a subject.

Carry on...

Posted by Snoozers on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:18 pm

I'm the person you called "Grandpa." I think you're missing the point. I'm not at all "behind the times" on the popularity of social networks. In fact, quite the opposite is the case. My business is entirely Internet-based using one of the social networks. I've done a lot of research on both Tweeter and FB. FB is especially bad when it comes to data-mining. It's the corporate data-mining that's the problem.

You wrote:

"I don't really know enough about the Twitter deal to even guess whether or not it's good for SF. "

Grandpa, do you often give your opinion about something that you know nothing about? And do you often make baseless assumptions about people you don't know?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:48 pm

That it is Twitter, not Tweeter?

Posted by D. Native on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 3:57 pm


I spell it Tweeter because that's the way it should be pronounced. People mispronounce the name of the network by calling it Twit-er. The logo is a bird. Birds don't twit. Birds tweet. People on the network send tweets, not twits, So why do they pronounce it "Twit-er?" Therefore, it should be pronounced Tweeter like a bird (and maybe this will help: think the Español "i" sound in the word Twitter). Got it? I knew you were thick, but I didn't know it was to that extent, since I've already explained all of this up the page aways. Don't you ever read anything other than at the bottom of the page, bottom feeder Troll?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 4:24 pm
Posted by lillipublicans on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 5:04 pm

Well that's interesting. Thank you for that. I've never heard the word until the company, Twitter, came along.

I still think the pronunciation "Tweeter" sounds better for reasons I've already stated. And "Tweeter" is usually the pronunciation on the Español television networks (Univisión y Telemundo). Occasionally, someone will pronounce it the "twit-er" way.

I'd like to see Lily Tomlin (maybe as Ernestine) do a skit about this with the two pronunciation. That would be very funny with her doing it.


Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 8:54 pm

The reason they may pronounce it "tweeter" on Spanish-language stations is because Spanish doesn't have the short "i" sound. If you know how to read English, you know that a double consonant after an "i" makes it a short "i" sound. Though there is some logic to your argument, as you now know birds do twitter. And regardless of what you think the better name would be, the company has chosen "Twitter." So when you call it "Tweeter," you just look like a fool.

Posted by Guest on Nov. 16, 2012 @ 11:26 am

So your business is entirely "internet-based" and you don't know that postings on Twitter are called "tweets"? Honestly now, how much research could you have possibly done if you don't even know the company is named "Twitter" and not "Tweeter"?

Here's one assumption that I feel perfectly comfortable in making without really knowing you....

You have absolutely NO sense of humor :)

I suppose now you are going to tell us that you know all about humor because all of your 1st-date icebreakers are based on Jerry Seinfeld routines and old Mork n' Mindy reruns.

Posted by Snoozers on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 4:37 pm

Back to the topic: As I wrote previously, it's the corporate data-mining that's the problem, especially with FB.

You don't have a problem with corporate data-mining?

Posted by Guest on Nov. 10, 2012 @ 9:06 pm