Justice For Trayvon -- maybe?

Trayvon Martin
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Summer's here and the time is right for neither dancing nor fighting in the streets down in Florida. George Zimmerman--accused of second degree murder in the killing of Trayvon Martin--is about to go on trial for same.

For the 7 people in America that don't know the story, On February 26th, 2012, Martin, an African American teenager, left his dad's house to go to the store to buy an iced tea and a bag of Skittles. Zimmerman, a self proclaimed but not actual member of the local Neighborhood Watch, started following Martin by car and then foot--for reasons not ever fully explained anywhere. What happened next is the crux of the trial, but what is known is that a police dispatcher suggested to Zimmerman not to follow Martin, Martin did phone a girlfriend to tell her he was being followed and Zimmerman did shoot Martin dead.

That Martin was unarmed and did not approach an armed man that shot him first would tend to indicate that this is an open and shut case. But because Florida has a "stand your ground" law, that will be Zimmerman's defense, even though he has waived the right to a hearing before a judge on whether or not that statute applies--Zimmerman's attorneys feel that the "stand your ground" defense is better argued in front of a jury than a judge and so off to trial they go.

Zimmerman's defense got some rather bad news right from the git-go. Judge Debra Nelson has ruled that Zimmerman's attorneys won't be able to mention Trayvon Martin's drug use, suspension from school and past fighting during opening statements (as Zimmerman himself knew none of this as he was following Martin and Martin isn't on trial, Zimmerman is). This is an enormous blow to Zimmerman's defense.

Why would something as utterly irrelevant as Martin's pot smoking (pot makes whom more violent, exactly?) suspensions from school (not at the time) and fighting (common among teens) be an issue when Martin had no criminal record? Jeez, Louise, I wonder what on earth they would use such information for?

Let's cut the shit once and for all here--Zimmerman's defense begins and ends on the idea that Trayvon Martin was the stereotypical caraicature of an African American teenaged male. A dangerous, hip hop lovin', chronic-huffin', pants on the ground gang bangin' thug. Which means that any "clear thinking person" would be terrified of same and have the right to ventilate same by firearm.

In short---1)George Zimmerman, like any sane person, would be scared of this kid and 2) Being scared really sucks and makes you feel awful, so 3) Of course it's OK to shoot the kid. In the minds of the terrified reactionary, "being frightened" justifies "standing your ground", even when you are chasing someone, not standing anywhere.

Fact is, Trayvon could have been 7'' tall and weighed 400 pounds and out on parole and Zimmerman still wouldn't have a case. But because he and his attorneys are banking on at least a few people in the jury being scared ninnies, that's the defense. And as Zimmerman found out when he raised a ton of money for his "defense", this kind of thinking is endemic to people that react to information as opposed to absorbing it.

That America's "conservatives" lined up behind Zimmerman in near lockstep speaks volumes about the tie that binds them. 

Armed man shoots unarmed man that he was clealry stalking. Can't get more cut and dried than that. But when the victim is part of a population segment that has another population segment pooping its Depends, it is not. This is gonna be an interesting, if possibly revolting summer in the USA. 


Zimmerman's a dirtbag. But I don't think he'll get convicted of murder, given that the whole affair was a private matter and it's - justifiably - difficult to prove someone committed homicide beyond a reasonable doubt. Now, if the charges were for voluntary manslaughter, a conviction would be more likely. For second degree murder, however, it's a different story. Prepare for Zimmerman to get off. It's not the right thing, but it's the most likely thing

Posted by basta on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:28 am

is consistent with self-defense, which won't even get you a manslaughter rap.

Zimmerman walks.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:35 am

It could still get him convicted on involuntary manslaughter charges.

In my opinion, it is very difficult to establish self-defense in this case, but it's possible it could be established.

Posted by basta on May. 28, 2013 @ 11:28 am

I suppose he might have walked into a door . . .

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 3:45 pm

And he is not charged with involuntary manslaughter. He is charged solely with murder 2. All or nothing.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 5:29 pm

"murder" trial where, again, race was made an issue and the jury rightly decided on a lesser charge.

I'm seeing this as manslaughter, at most. Or an acquittal if the jury sees the evidence of the beating that "thug" trayvon put on someone trying to protect their community.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 5:38 pm

When I said "all or nothing" I meant that I didn't think that the jury will be allowed to consider a lesser charge of manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter (hence 2nd degree murder or nothing). But from what I've been able to find out, the jurors will be allowed to find him guilty of one of the lesser charges.

I agree with you in that this seems more like a manslaughter case then anything. But I don't think anything will be resolved. This feels more like a hung jury. Take 12 random people and try to get all 12 to agree on one result. Take a look at any message board, even this one, and see how much dissension is on what actually took place. All Zimmerman needs is one person to hang the jury.

But there is one thing looming over this trial that the writer of this article failed to mention. What happens if Zimmerman is acquitted or there is a hung jury? Heck even a manslaughter charge. Remember what happened after Mehserle was convicted on involuntary manslaughter? There are gonna be riots if there is anything outside of a 2nd degree murder conviction.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 9:31 pm

Trayvon's Oscar Grant-like background won't be such a disadvantage since, as you said yourself, there's only 7 people who don't already know the story and you need 12 for a jury.

The issue here is whether this was self-defense or not and the evidence appears to be that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman. It's possible that Zimmerman was quite happy for this to play out that way but then of course he doesn't have to give evidence about his state of mind.

If a black guy killed a white guy, I doubt you'd be taking such a unfavourable view of the defendant and, in the end, race is all this is about with you, isn't it?

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:34 am

Is that you'll have equally paranoid wanna-be Dirty Harrys out there who think that Zimmerman was the true victim and will want to follow in his footsteps. One of the worst things that can happen is, regardless if Zimmerman gets jail time or not (which I think he will) is that the trial manages to give that horrible "Stand Your Ground" law more credibility. I know that sounds crazy, but as much as we can bash it, I've seen an equal or greater support for it since the start of this whole thing.

Posted by Johnny Venom on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:37 am

so that thugs may grow out of it. That one in fifty chance. Progressives idea of crime.

"Debbi: Duke, let's go do some crimes.

Duke: Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay. "

The odd thing about progressives is that they don't want thing's played out in the media, unless they do. At first Trayvon looked like a saint as the media portrayed him as angel, then that sorta fell apart.

The people hanging onto mainstream media's narrative around this are people who disdain the mainstream media. Progressives disdain people duped by the media major outlets, unless it is people who don't agree with them.


Posted by matlock on May. 28, 2013 @ 6:45 pm

Arguing in the conditional tense means you've already lost.

And, err--OJ did it.

And in America, it's "unfavorable". 

Posted by JohnnyW on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:37 am

I'm just showing you the particular racial bias that you clearly have here.

Were you happy that OJ got off?

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 10:51 am

Not following your point here....I think Johnny's point here is that if the belief is that he's catering to blacks by calling out Zimmerman, he wouldn't be saying O.J. is guilty. Instead, he would be consistently playing the position of "Black man good....white man bad.", and therefore would say O.J. didn't do it.
So asking if he's happy that O.J. got away with murder, seems pointless.

Posted by AnudderJoe on May. 28, 2013 @ 11:25 am

and everywhere? If so, i'd agree with you, but if you re-read JW's words, it is fairly difficult and charitable to claim that he's not playing a race card here.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 11:36 am

This trial will most likely have an OJ like result with Zimmerman walking, despite his guilt being obvious.

The prosecutors should have sought a voluntary manslaughter charge against Zimmerman rather than second degree murder. It would be easy to convict him on voluntary manslaughter charges as all the elements of voluntary manslaughter are there. Unfortunately (like Marcia Clark) they're more interested in going for the glory than going for an easy conviction.


Posted by basta on May. 28, 2013 @ 11:26 am

If there was no pre-meditation (and that would be very hard to prove since the two had never met before, I believe) then at best it should be manslaughter.

And even then only if you don't believe it was self-defense which, even JW appears to believe since he talked about the "stand your ground" law.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 11:37 am

have the right to walk to the store and back without being stalked by a person with a gun. Especially, someone under the age of 18. The victim didn't have a criminal record. There is no evidence of him doing any criminal activity on his walk.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 12:00 pm

He was lingering and loitering in a neighbourhood that was not his.

This looked suspicious and so he was followed by a neighbourhood watch guy. At some point Trayvon turned on him and attacked him, and Zimmerman responded with deadly force, as allowed under that State's "Stand Your Ground" laws.

If this had been a white killer and a black victim (approximately 40 times more probably according to crime stats) then would SFBG be baying for the maximum sentence?

Of course not. They're just playing a race card because the think that's a free lunch.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 12:08 pm

that aren't their own. And violating that standard is a capital offense. Good to know.

Is your hood back from the dry cleaner?

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 1:05 pm

WTF? Now I know how "driving while black" gets started.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 2:30 pm

People keep a lookout for people who are not known to the residents and who look, for a variety of reasons, suspect. Indicators of that don't necessarily include being black even tho the crime rate for blacks is orders of magnitude higher than for whites. But loitering, lingering and looking furtive might all be indicators.

A young white male in gangsta gear would no doubt have attracted scrutiny as well. It's the prosecution who are trying to make this about race, for obvious reasons.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 3:48 pm

with a member of a neighborhood watch gunning you down in a neighborhood different from yours?

Fuck, you are out of place on an internet comment page. Imagine how you would look in a low-income minority neighborhood.

Keep up the good work, klansman.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 4:39 pm

white male who had been acting suspiciously in that neighbourhood then I would totally support his right to stand his ground and defend himself, using deadly force if he deemed that necessary to save himself.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 4:55 pm

such a neighborhood (scoping out property to speculate), some neighborhood watch guy would confront you. Like Trayvon Martin, you would take offense and bang, bang, you're dead, took two bullets in the head.

At least, the neighborhood watch stood his ground.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 7:13 pm

He's an American hero.

Posted by anon on May. 28, 2013 @ 7:48 pm

I think about it every day. Justice for Kreayshawn!

Posted by Lucretia Snapples on May. 28, 2013 @ 12:08 pm

juror on a trial like this one, given your obvious predisposition to guilt in this case. Your race-infused bias is quite breathtaking.

Somehow you magically claim to know this wasn't self-defense, even though photograph's were widely circulated after the event showing Zimmerman looking bruised and battered.

No doubt the jury will see those images and then have to ask themselves how "innocent" a victim Trayvon really was. I suspect he's about as guilty as Oscar Grant i.e. not really innocent at all.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 12:37 pm

Should Zimmerman have listened to the dispatcher? Yes...but why no mention of Zimmerman's head injuries in the OP's trial by blogger? Unlike some, I will wait for all the facts to come out in trial.

Posted by Davedi on May. 28, 2013 @ 4:33 pm

Cognitive dissonance reaches new heights with SFBG's last-chance, desperate "lust for glory" gambit on this louche loser from LA to bail out their sorry asses.

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 4:57 pm

In Florida - the warmest State in the Union.

Those in the know know that guys wear hoodies up to evade CCTV camera's because, of course, they have something to hide. That's why some malls ban kids wearing hoodies.

You're an amateur at this, aren't you?

Posted by Guest on May. 28, 2013 @ 5:12 pm

I think that Zimmerman is a hero. I would have blown the little nigger's balls off also. I would have had him on his knees begging and crying for his life just the same. I think a whole lot of them nappy head monkeys have to die. The media puts some bullshit picture of him on the news that was taken about 4 or 5 years earlier to make him look like a kid. Put a more recent pic of him up and people will see what a little thug he really was. That little bastard is gone and he's never coming back.

Posted by Guest Chuck on Jun. 07, 2013 @ 3:39 pm

exists for you.

I am sitting down waiting for the bus and a guy decided to come and rob me. He threatens bodily harm and i try to get a away, he chases. I turn and proceed to beat him down to get away. In the mist of this beating he pulls out a gun and kills me.

This is self defense? The details of the trayvon incident are not the same but they are close enough. Zimmerman instigated a situation with Martin. Martin called his girlfriend so we know he was being stalked. We don't know why Zimmerman got beat up, but it doesn't matter. He stalked him unlawfully, he instigated the situation. We don't know what threats zimmerman made, but a man with a gun is a bold man. Anyone who claims self defense is stupid. This is manslaughter. No law will change that. He put himself in a situation then decided killing was his only way out.

He needs to be punished for that. If you disagree, then you have other issues with this case that's causing you to lose sight of the reality of the situation.

Whoever said furtive movements above is a dick. I hate that. It means nothing, yet its enough to start shit with someone. Its the cops secret weapon since it has no definition, anything can qualify.

Posted by Anon on Jun. 22, 2013 @ 8:32 am

inevitably arouse suspicion. He worse a hoodie which is almost a telegraph for evil intent because it avoids CCTV.

We have to ask the question why Martin was inside a gated community when he did not live there and was not visiting there?

Posted by Guest on Jun. 22, 2013 @ 8:47 am

There were no bruises or other injuries on Trayvon's hands so clearly Zimmerman staged his very extensive injuries (broken nose, head gash requiring stitches, etc.) and the jury must convict Zimmerman and the prosecutor should go after whomever helped Zimmerman stage his injuries (most likely his brother...brothers often fight and roundhouse for fun or in anger. I wonder how it felt to beat up his brother to try to help him get away with murder but at the same time wanting to beat him up to punish him for being so stupid that he killed a neighbor's teenager when he could have just stayed in his car).

Posted by Guest on Jun. 28, 2013 @ 6:13 am

Seems you've figured it all out for us.

Posted by anon on Jun. 28, 2013 @ 6:31 am

This music video tells why Trayvon Martin is dead~

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