Giving consent to capitalism - Page 2

The week in sex events, plus a porn-friendly discussion

02.26.13 - 6:12 pm | Caitlin Donohue |

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Kink.com performer Dylan Ryan: "Every performance I do is about showing women how much fun I'm having"

The Great Church of Holy Fuck Fri/1-Sun/3, 8pm, $15. Counterpulse, 1310 Mission, SF. www.counterpulse.org. The name, the fact that this production is helmed by Annie Danger, queer trans utopia-seeker, the promise of nudity — surely these will add to a truly religious interactive theater experience.

International Sex Workers Rights Day picnic Sun/3, 11am-2pm, free. Dolores Park, 19th St. and Guerrero, SF. www.swopbay.org. The Sex Workers Outreach Project and St. James' Infirmary are hosting this gathering of past and present sex workers and their allies in celebration of this day of commemoration, which started in 2001 at sex worker festival in Calcutta, India.

Comments

Why does the "kink community" get so whiney?

And why the bitching about kink.com? They give work to people whose only skill, apparently, a willingness to get naked abd be degraded. Heck, some people pay to do that.

Posted by anon on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 6:55 pm

Groan

Have you ever seen BDSM porn? Check it out and then talk to me about how whiny the performers are.

Posted by caitlin on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 7:46 pm

If Acworth was not forcing

If Acworth was not forcing them at (alleged) gunpoint or luring them with (alleged) blow, then so long as the safe words are honored, then it is just whining.

Remember, Caitlin, what you are seeing is movie magic.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 8:35 pm

heh

I've known dozens of adult performers, strippers and kink performers. When that kink guy started with hogtied.com in the late 90's I would go through the free pictures and know 1/4 of the models. Many of the people mentioned as sex worker activists or whatnot in these articles in the SF area I know.

I would say that 1/3 of the models are as you describe.

Lots of them make good money at part time sex work so good for them, lots of them are going to school and a sex work job makes them good money so that they have time to study. etc...

2/3rds are just doing what all of us do, making the most out of their time. For the other third you are correct, stop complaining, they are not collecting welfare.

Posted by matlock on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 8:22 pm

I wonder what percentage of "sex workers" pay taxes?

I'm guessing - not many.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 2:51 am

The question

"The question: can sexual consent exist when you're doing it for the money? "

If you're going to go there, then the question should be broadened: Can *any* consent to do *any* work exist when you're doing it for the money?

Either porn/sex work is inherently exploitative no matter how the work arrangement is structured (in which case it might as well just be banned!), or it isn't. If you believe the latter, as I do, that porn or sex work is just a subset of work, then your answer to the first question has to be yes.

Posted by Greg on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 10:09 pm

I love these angels on a pin type things.

Few people waste their time on obsessing over these womens studies exercises.

It's not really which way you lean with these questions, it's the absurdity of asking them in the first place.

If people agree to a price then it should be up to them what they are up to.

"There are no honorable bargains involving exchange of qualitative merchandise like souls. Just quantitative merchandise like time and money. So piss off, Satan,"

- Burroughs

Posted by matlock on Feb. 26, 2013 @ 11:42 pm

“Never do business with a

“Never do business with a religious son-of-a-bitch. His word ain't worth a shit -- not with the Good Lord telling him how to fuck you on the deal.” "

Posted by marcos on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 10:48 am

Did you stop reading there?

"But, she continued, "money can be a perfectly legitimate reason to consent. Most people would not agree to show up at their nine-to-five job if they were not being paid an agreed amount of money.""

Posted by caitlin on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 10:33 am

Somehow I missed that

Speed reading I suppose.

Posted by Greg on Feb. 28, 2013 @ 12:07 am

The only way to live a totally politically correct lifestyle....

The only way to live a totally politically correct lifestyle is to kill yourself. Now.

Posted by marcos on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 6:44 am

Political correctness does kill

I've seen zero evidence that it has ever helped anyone except a few white liberals who feel it dischages their guilt without changing anything else.

Posted by Guest on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 7:20 am

Seems like the only people,

Seems like the only people, mainly women, who are complaining are the ones who are not getting hired to do shoots. Hmm...

Posted by Guest on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 5:30 pm

To continue the discussion...

...about consent and porn I went a litter deeper into fun things like rape culture, double standards, privilege, oppression and Downton Abbey!
http://maxineholloway.tumblr.com/post/44181167653/lights-camera-victim-b...

Posted by Maxine Holloway on Feb. 27, 2013 @ 11:22 pm

Literally not a single person

Literally not a single person outside of a tiny self-obsessed women's studies bubble cares

Posted by Guest on Mar. 12, 2013 @ 8:47 pm